Re: [新聞] TotalBiscuit跟Crank的聲明
看板StarCraft (星海爭霸2 - SC2)作者allqwdd (乳乳)時間13年前 (2012/10/23 14:17)推噓122(122推 0噓 109→)留言231則, 79人參與討論串13/21 (看更多)
SlayerS head manager Ka Yeon 'Jessica' Kim responded to Crank and Axiom's
statement on SlayerS disbandment on Monday, Thisisgame reported. TIG
interviewed Jessica during the Hot6ix GSL Season 5 Up & Down matches. Below
is the translated interview.
包嫂跳出來啦!!!!
這回她要跟我們談Crank和Axiom的聲明。
這是在昨天升降賽的時候訪問的。
Q: When is the time of this phone call recording?
Q:那個電話錄音是甚麼時候的事?
A: It was August 10.
A: 八月十號
Q: What is your reason for releasing it?
Q:基於甚麼理由你要公布出來呢?
A: I never thought of releasing it like this because I did not want to
enlarge other people's issues from its contents. However, Jae Won 'Crank'
Choi revealed something untrue in Axiom's statement, so I thought there was a
need to straighten the facts.
A:我原本沒想過要公布，但我不想讓大家誤解我們。Crank他在訪談中並沒有說實話，
所以我想要公布事實。
The whole issue began when Crank left the team with loose ends. First, I am
actually releasing this information because I want to show that Crank lied to
us when he left the team. Had he just been honest with me and left the team,
there would have been no issue at all, but he continues to lie.
我公布這個是想要讓大家知道CRANK沒有說實話，再一開始他就對我說謊，而現在
的訪談也是繼續撒謊。
Secondly, this is something where BoxeR's, SlayerS, and my own reputation is
on the line. I'm not trying to kill off innocent player who has left the
team. Crank, however, claimed that the problem lies because of mismanagement.
I wanted to restore my reputation from it.
再來，這是我、包哥和Slayers的名譽，我不會無緣無故挑一個無辜的選手出來戰。
Crank似乎把一切都歸咎於不良的管理，我不能坐視他這樣傷害我們的名譽。
Q: From the phone call recording, Crank claimed that everything was done and
over with, through NateOn (popular messanger service program; translator
note).
Q:從這個電話錄音看來，Crank表示你們幾乎都是在NateOn上面進行討論(一個聊天軟
體)。
A: After we got through to GSTL Round of 4, he came to me and said, 'My neck
is hurting too much so I want to rest at my home.' I asked whether it was
spinal disc herniation, and he said 'No, it's just early stage.' He told me
he needed to go to his home to do treatment, and I said something like how
can you do this when we are at Round of 4, and then he said he will prepare
at home. He said he informed coach Hong that he has prepared build and
selected map. So I asked coach Hong about it and he told me Crank has
prepared for strategies for Entombed Valley and Metropolis, so I said okay
and sent him home.
A:在GSTL第四回合的比賽後，他來找我並跟我說他的脖子很痛，他想要回家休息。
我問他是不是椎間盤突出，但他回答還沒有這麼糟。
他說他想要回家接受治療，我說你怎麼可以在第四輪這個時候離隊呢。他回答
他會在家準備比賽。他說Coach Hong(應該是Cella)已經為他設計好戰術也選好了
地圖。所以我問Cella相關的事情，Cella說這是真的，所以我讓他回家了。
But then on Saturday when I had to send out the entry list, Crank texted
coach Hong to take him out of the entry. This is when Crank was complaining
about discords within the team and how he was getting too much stress. Once I
received the news from coach Hong, I sent a message to Crank over NateOn,
'I'm sorry that you want to get out of the entry because of stress. But get
yourself together and let us meet at the studio.' Then he told coach Hong
'Why is she doing this to me?'
但我星期六公布出賽名單後，Crank請Cella把他從出賽名單拿下來，他表示隊上不和
的氣氛讓他感到壓力很大。當Cella跟我說後，我從NateOn上面敲了Crank，並跟他說
"我很遺憾你因為壓力太大不想出賽，但請你好好準備一下並且來比賽的地方，我們好
好討論一下。" 然後他就跟Cella說 "她為什麼要這麼做"
After receiving the request to omit him from the entry, BoxeR texted to Crank
saying, 'Where and what are you doing when the head manager needs you?', and
Crank is asserting that this text was a form of anger. Crank on the other
hand immediately called BoxeR and yelled at him. I did not record that call
because I did not foresee his behaviour. So I actually apologized to BoxeR
instead. Later, coach Hong was quiet about it but told me after this
incident, 'Crank told me before going home that he won't play the game
anymore, but told me not to tell you.'
在聽到他不希望出賽後，包哥傳了簡訊給Crank "你現在到底在做甚麼，你知道戰隊
經理現在很需要你嗎?" Crank把這封簡訊講得語氣很差。然後Crank馬上打給包哥
並且對他怒吼，那一段我沒有錄起來。後來Cella跟我說Crank在回家後有跟他說
他不希望出賽GSTL，但他要我不要跟妳說。
Then I tried to talk to him over NateOn, and he said as stated in the press
release that he 'does not want to move to a foreign team, only wants to rest
at home, so please let me go.' So I said 'I never held you [from leaving the
team],' and allowed him to leave the team. After that I learned about him
trying to find a team through stream, so I fought him over Twitter like I did
to Yong-Soo 'Dragon' Jeon.
然後我又再次想要在NateOn上面跟他交談，他聲明他只是想回家休息，而不是
想去國外戰隊，拜託我讓他離隊。我說我從來沒有不讓你走，也同意他離隊了。
後來我知道他透過直播表示想要找戰隊，所以我就在Twitter上面戰他。
就像我戰龍哥一樣。
Q: (To coach Hong, seated besides Jessica) Did you report her about Crank
right away?
Q:(問Cella教練)你有馬上跟包嫂說Crank的事嗎?
A: No, not exactly. There was some time differential, as I thought Crank was
going to play in GSTL, and thought he was going to leave the team afterward.
I thought he was at least going to play the match he was preparing for even
when he was going to leave the team.
A:沒有，那時我還不知道Crank不打算打GSTL，當時我以為即使他要離隊了，他也
會回來出賽。
Q: (Back to Jessica) What was the reason for coach Hong not reporting
immediately?
Q:(問包嫂)你認為Cella為什麼沒有馬上報告Crank的情況。
A: The final word for our team is in my hand, even if [players] talk to the
coaches. I decide everything by myself and solve all matters, so that's why
he didn't report.
A:因為所有的事情還是要經過我同意，戰隊大小事務都是我做決定的。
Q: What is the context of Crank's claim that everything was done and over
with in NateOn?
Q:為什麼你跟Crank這麼常使用NateOn來溝通呢?
A: I talked with Crank numerous times in NateOn. Until then I believed him
saying that he was getting too much stress from discord in the team. Before
problems arose, he was practicing hard and managed team members like a
leader, so I thought highly of him in those matters.
A:我們本來就很常在那上面聊天了，一直到他說隊上的氣氛讓他壓力很大後吧。
因為他以前很認真練習，也幫忙負責戰隊的事務，他以前就想隊長一樣。
所以我們很常討論事情。
Q: In the phone recording, he talked about Troy with BoxeR.
Q:在電話錄音中，他說包哥好像在玩別的遊戲?
A: BoxeR does not play any games at all when he is resting. Even when I ask
him to play few team games to warm up his hands, he refuses. So I suggested
him to play other game that does not require large strain on his shoulder,
just to warm up his hands. That's why I recommended a MMORPG game that mainly
uses left hand instead of right shoulder. I already revealed this information
in the previous interview.
A:包哥為了好好休息，那時他幾乎不練習，即使我叫他參加一些GSTL的比賽暖手他也
拒絕。所以我要求他打一些對他肩膀傷害不大的遊戲，只是為了暖手而已。
所以我推薦他玩MMORPG這個幾乎只要用左手的遊戲。這我在之前講過了。
Q: Is it true when Crank said that the environment in the team was a mess?
Q:Crank說戰隊的狀況非常糟，這是真的嗎?
A: He told me numerous times that the team was a mess. But according to him,
the reason for the mess was inappropriate actions from Puzzle and Coca, and
he wanted us to do something about them. Every time it was the same
complaint. So I asked coach Hong about it, and I thought it wasn't nothing
too serious as it was something kids would do when they live together.
A:他跟我說過很多次他覺得戰隊很亂。他一直認為亂源是Puzzle和Coca，他希望
我們去處理一下。他總是在抱怨一樣的事情，所以我要Cella去看看。我那時
認為這不是很嚴重的事，也許只是他們生活上的一些摩擦。
But Crank continued to complain that things were a mess and that he was
having too much stress that he could handle himself, so BoxeR actually
apologized to him. So I told BoxeR, 'Even when you're resting, do it at the
practice house. Play some games there and watch over them and discipline them
if need be.'
但Crank還是一直抱怨，他壓力很大。所以包哥跟他道歉。所以我跟包哥說，雖然
你現在在休養，但希望你在練習是休養，在那邊打打遊戲，並且在需要的時候
維護那裡的紀律。
So BoxeR went and watched over them, and told me nothing was wrong, just like
how coach Hong told me. So my final thought was that there was nothing big
going on. I just thought it was a men's trouble that is common among young
people. Later on I found out that the real reason for the mess was due to
these three people.
所以包哥去了，後來跟我說他不覺得有問題，這跟Cella的說法一樣。所以我真的
不覺得有甚麼大問題，我認為也許只是年輕人之間的紛爭。後來我才發現有三個人
真的有問題。
Q: What do you mean by three people?
Q:是哪三個人?
A: I later found out that MMA, Ryung, and Crank began to act together and
segregated from other players. They made a situation where it was difficult
to get together within the team. He knew about MMA's decision to leave the
team, which was the biggest problem, and told us numerous times about the
other members' seemingly problematic behaviours. Ergo, we could never believe
that the problem rised on other players in this situation.
A:我後來發現MMA、Ryung和Crank開始聯合起來排擠一些隊員。他們讓這個戰隊
沒辦法有向心力。他知道MMA的事情，這其實是最大的問題，但他卻跟我們說
戰隊變這樣都是其他人害的，但我很清楚不是這樣的。
Q: What are your problems with Crank's interview?
Q:所以你對Crank的訪談有甚麼質疑嗎?
A: My point is that if one wants to leave the team, he/she needs to come talk
to the head manager directly and tell her about leaving or transferring. But
he told me he wanted to rest because of illness, and said he will retire from
gaming, and then immediately started streaming and was looking for a foreign
team. Then he said in the interview that he only streamed to make ends meet
and keep minimum living expenses as a pro gamer.
A:我只是想強調當你想離開戰隊，你應該要說清楚你是想離開還是想轉隊。
但他是跟我說他因為傷勢的關係要回家休息，他會放棄當一個職業選手。
但回家後馬上開始開直播，並且找國外戰隊。但他在聲明中卻說他只是
想要賺生活費。
When the news about MMA's demotion to B-team got out, Crank told me over
NateOn that he does not want to be related to MMA's problems. But then he
said in the interview that I accepted his request to leave the team, citing
only the first part of the conversation we had when I was oblivious to his
streaming and looking for a foreign team.
當MMA降到二軍的消息公布後，Crank在NateOn上跟我說他不想要跟MMA的事有牽涉。
但他在訪談中只有說一部分的實情。
Q: Crank said he even drove a vehicle by himself [for the team].
Q:Crank說他甚至會開車載其他人去比賽。
A: I even sent my agency's (Jessica is an actress; translator's note) vehicle
and my manager to transport players to the studio. My manager, who had no
relation whatsoever with the team, followed me with his own van to Busan
because of my selfishness to bring every player to GSTL finals. Whenever
players are able to drive such as Clide and Crank asked me to borrow the car,
I did my best as I easily rented them a vehicle costing more than 100 million
Won (Approx. $95,000 USD).
A:我還派我的經理人和經理去載選手去比賽耶。我的經理他跟這個戰隊完全沒關係。
他開他的小貨車跟著我去Busan，就因為我希望可以載每個選手去GSTL決賽。
有些選手可以自己開車，像Clide跟Crank它們就跟我借車，我也花了$95,000在
交通工具上面。
Q: From Axiom's statement, SlayerS had its faults for not motivating players
enough.
Q:Axiom它們說，Slayers在激勵隊員上自己也有問題。
A: It was around September or October of last year when we welcomed Crank
after he finished his military service. He told me he wanted to quit pro
gaming. He said his performance was lacking even with my care, so he just
wanted to quit and go back home.
A:那是去年九月十月的時候，我們慶祝了Crank退伍，他說他想要放棄當職業選手。
他覺得他的表現不夠好，所以他想要放棄。
So I told him that's just unacceptable when you've only played for 3 months.
You started late because of military, and other players started earlier than
you. Don't be jealous when these players make accomplishments, and start with
the basics. Don't give up now and keep trying for at least 6 months, is what
I said.
我跟他說你才打三個月，你因為當兵的關係起步慢，其他人比較早起步。不要因為
別人有些成就你就想放棄。我請他在試半年看看。
So in the next GSTL match, I gave Crank the vanguard position, in order to
motivate him. I gave an opportunity to play to give motivation to a player
who has yet to achieve anything. Through GSTL, I gave him a chance to let his
name to be known, and that was his motivation. The same applied for Min and
Lots. Even for MMA.
所以後來的GSTL比賽，我讓Crank打頭陣，就是為了讓他有動力。我給一個沒有
任何實績的選手一個證明自己的機會，我讓他有機會曝光，就像MMA和MIN一樣。
Q: Crank talked about mismanagement in the team as well.
Q:Crank說管理方式有問題。
A: At one point he said the team was a mess. Then, he went onto saying that
the team management was a mess. When we lived in Yeouido, a lease payment for
60 Pyung apartment (Approx. 21,000 sqft), maintenance fee, food, grocery,
fuel and insurance for two cars, team dinner, 6-month scholarship, GSTL
after-dinner, and any other miscellaneous expenses cost us an incredible
amount of money every month.
A:他一直說這個隊伍很亂，然後開始認為管理方式很差。當我們住Yeouido時，那時
的花費太大了，我們租了21,000平方公尺的公寓，還包辦了食物跟生活用品。
兩台車的汽油跟保險，還有6個月的獎助金，戰隊的晚餐，甚至還有GSTL之後的聚會。
我們每個月花了無數的錢提供這種環境。
I also cared for players benefits including 50% off in beauty salons like
entertainers, free dentist care (used by Alicia 3 times) and 20% off on skin
health care (used many times by MMA).
我還讓隊員們去做造型時有五折優待，免費看牙醫(Alicia用了三次)，還有八折去
做皮膚保養的優待(MMA用了很多次)。
Q: Have you tried to contact Crank again after the phone call on August 10?
Q:妳在八月十號後有嘗試跟Crank聯絡嗎?
A: If you think about the hierarchy between the manager and the player,
wouldn't it be wrong for me to contact him first? Crank should have called or
texted me first, but he didn't. After that day, he acted on his own.
A:我認為那個情況不應該是我去連絡他，應該他要主動來找我。畢竟我是戰隊經理，
他是隊員。他應該要主動找我的，但他沒有。
Q: Do you have a record of the NateOn conversation mentioned in the phone
call?
Q:你有在NateOn上面的聊天紀錄嗎?
A: I do. I did not save a record of me accepting his request to leave the
team because I did not suspect anything back then. I do have a record of a
conversation when I asked him about him lying after finding out the truth.
A:我沒有存到那個我接受他離隊的那段，因為那時我毫無疑心。
我有的是當我發現真相問他為何要說謊的那段。
Q: Do you wish to release NateOn conversation as well?
Q:你願意公布那段嗎?
A: If needed, I will release it to the journalists.
A:如果需要的話，我會公布給媒體。
Q: Are there any other records than the phone call and NateOn that you are
keeping?
Q:那你還有任何其他事件的紀錄嗎?
A: I have one from the WCG incident. I have no reason to mention about this
since he did not talk about it.
A:我有一個WCG事件的紀錄，但既然他沒提我想我也沒必要談這個。
Q: Are you thinking about releasing the audio file if needed?
Q:如果需要你會公布嗎?
A: If I need to sue him on the court, I may need to release it.
A:如果我跟他要上法院的話，也許會吧。
Q: If Crank apologizes, will you stop this issue?
Q:如果Crank跟你道歉，你會停止這個議題嗎?
A: Yes. I will end it once there is an apology.
A:會，只要他跟我道歉的話。
Q: What if Crank insisted on his original position?
Q:那如果Crank繼續堅持他的立場呢?
A: I only released this record so I can appeal to people that I did not lie
at least. I do not wish to kill [Crank's career].
A:我才剛公布這個紀錄，我只希望大家可以知道我並沒有說謊，我並不打算毀了他的
職業生涯。
*Additionally, Jessica announced that out of 7 remaining SlayerS players, 3
will transfer to other teams unconditionally. Jessica will try to find new
teams for remaining 4 players until the last match on November 3rd. She plans
to announce these players' transfer after November 3rd, or new teams will
annouce the news.
*目前剩下的七個Slayers戰隊的隊員，三個會去其他戰隊，包掃還在想辦法
幫另外四個隊員找新東家。在11/3號後會公布這些轉會事項。
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10/23 16:08, 192F
推
10/23 16:09, , 193F
10/23 16:09, 193F
推
10/23 16:09, , 194F
10/23 16:09, 194F
→
10/23 16:09, , 195F
10/23 16:09, 195F
推
10/23 16:09, , 196F
10/23 16:09, 196F
→
10/23 16:09, , 197F
10/23 16:09, 197F
推
10/23 16:09, , 198F
10/23 16:09, 198F
→
10/23 16:10, , 199F
10/23 16:10, 199F
→
10/23 16:10, , 200F
10/23 16:10, 200F
→
10/23 16:11, , 201F
10/23 16:11, 201F
→
10/23 16:11, , 202F
10/23 16:11, 202F
推
10/23 16:11, , 203F
10/23 16:11, 203F
→
10/23 16:12, , 204F
10/23 16:12, 204F
推
10/23 16:13, , 205F
10/23 16:13, 205F
推
10/23 16:13, , 206F
10/23 16:13, 206F
推
10/23 16:13, , 207F
10/23 16:13, 207F
推
10/23 16:16, , 208F
10/23 16:16, 208F
→
10/23 16:20, , 209F
10/23 16:20, 209F
推
10/23 16:20, , 210F
10/23 16:20, 210F
→
10/23 16:21, , 211F
10/23 16:21, 211F
推
10/23 16:21, , 212F
10/23 16:21, 212F
推
10/23 16:29, , 213F
10/23 16:29, 213F
→
10/23 16:40, , 214F
10/23 16:40, 214F
推
10/23 16:46, , 215F
10/23 16:46, 215F
推
10/23 17:05, , 216F
10/23 17:05, 216F
推
10/23 17:16, , 217F
10/23 17:16, 217F
→
10/23 17:33, , 218F
10/23 17:33, 218F
→
10/23 17:38, , 219F
10/23 17:38, 219F
→
10/23 17:40, , 220F
10/23 17:40, 220F
推
10/23 17:43, , 221F
10/23 17:43, 221F
→
10/23 17:47, , 222F
10/23 17:47, 222F
推
10/23 17:50, , 223F
10/23 17:50, 223F
推
10/23 17:51, , 224F
10/23 17:51, 224F
推
10/23 18:05, , 225F
10/23 18:05, 225F
推
10/23 18:09, , 226F
10/23 18:09, 226F
推
10/23 18:19, , 227F
10/23 18:19, 227F
→
10/23 19:55, , 228F
10/23 19:55, 228F
→
10/23 21:50, , 229F
10/23 21:50, 229F
推
10/23 21:51, , 230F
10/23 21:51, 230F
推
10/24 11:19, , 231F
10/24 11:19, 231F
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