Re: [外絮] CLG.EU Froggen AMA（翻譯）
看板LoL (英雄聯盟)作者cat0405 (<ゝω・) 油洗！☆ )))時間13年前 (2012/10/13 23:01)推噓48(48推 0噓 33→)留言81則, 48人參與討論串2/2 (看更多)
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Hi Froggen, first of all i d like to say that it was a blast watching you
guys play, you did your best and you guys were awesome, here's my question if
i may, i kinda was wondering what kinda runes do you use on orianna if it's
possible All Hail CLG Eu
嗨佛根，看完你們的比賽讓我很震撼，我覺得你們都打得很棒。可以告訴我你球女用的是
什麼符文嗎？最後就是 CLG.EU 萬歲！
i cant remember, i ran standard ap runes in all matches though
我不記得了欸，應該就跟我平常比賽用的 AP 符文差不多吧。
Hey Froggen,
Hope you and your team are doing alright and getting some rest, I am a huge
fan of you guys. I think you all honestly played some of the best games
League of Legends has ever seen. I will honestly never forget the "longest
day" aka Day 3 - my friends and I streamed from my house and watched all day
hoping to see you guys beat WE. Beyond that, you guys are ALWAYS so positive,
happy and joking around. This is what sets you apart from the other teams
because there is so much comradery between all 5 of you. All of this will
help you guys so much in the long run, and this goes beyond League - it shows
your guys' true character and I respect you guys so deeply for that. CLG.eu
will always be the team I root for and I look forward to seeing you guys in
future tournaments!
That being said, first of all, how are you guys holding up? Do you think you
will stick to your usual competitive picks (Anivia, Karthus, Orianna) or
expand a little bit? What's your opinion on running champions or assassins
like Ahri, Diana, or Evelynn in competitive? It seemed to really catch TPA
off guard when M5 played an assassin mid (Eve). Do you think Galio is a
viable pick mid competitive?
嘿佛根，希望你們都還 OK 並且有充分地放鬆休息，我是你們的大粉絲。我覺得你們都打
出了相當精采的比賽，而且我永遠不會忘記「史上最久的比賽」，也就是第 3 天的賽事。
我和我朋友整天都待在我家看比賽直播，期待看到你們打爆 WE。不過更重要的是，你們總
是保持正面積極的態度，氣氛一直是很歡樂的。這也是你們如此與眾不同的原因，因為你
們之間的夥伴情誼很緊密，這對你們也會有很棒的幫助。而跳脫英雄聯盟從現實生活來看
你們，我真的對你們每個人都感到非常敬佩。我會一直支持著 CLG.EU，並且期待你們在未
來賽事中的表現！
回到正題，你會繼續專注在常出的角色（冰鳥、死哥、球女）嗎？還是會向其他的英雄發
展？你覺得像阿璃、黛安娜或伊芙琳這類的刺客角怎麼樣？當時 TPA 看起來被 M5 的中路
Eve 整慘了。另外你覺得中路加里歐可行嗎？
We will try to change the way our team currently plays and we will be more
about early game than just turtle it away and be better in teamfights. The
reason i haven't been playing assasin champions etc is because we have always
been used to have a mid that can control the teamfight,
anivia/karthus/orianna/morgana/galio/kennen we only played ahri who doesnt
have that control but instead snowballs insanely hard. we will be doing some
fun stuff for season3 which might suprise people and I hope it will and I
would love to show it at IPL5 too
我們會試著改變隊伍目前的玩法，也不會在遊戲早期時打得很龜，並且改善團戰的表現。
我不玩那些刺客角的理由是因為我們習慣選一隻對團戰較有幫助的中路英雄，像是冰鳥、
死哥、球女、魔甘娜、加里歐還有凱能。雖然阿璃沒有像上面這些英雄在會戰中的影響能
力，但她的雪球滾起來會非常可怕。我們在 S3 或許會有令大家驚喜的有趣玩意兒，我希
望也願意在 IPL5 的時候表現給大家看。
Hey Froggen, you are so damn good at landing Anivia Q. How do you predict
where the enemy is going and to hit him? Besides basics like when he's going
for a CS, I feel like there's some next level shit that's going through your
head every time you play her.
嘿佛根，你冰鳥的 Q 根本夭壽神準啊！你是怎麼預測敵人的動向的？除了他們要去吃小兵
這類基本的預測外，我覺得一定還有什麼比較進階的方法，所以你才會這麼神。
look at the opponents movement, usually your opponenets will walk in the same
line through the entire laning phase... thats the weakness of most mids
觀察對方的走位，通常他們的走位都會一成不變…這也是多數中路的弱點。
With how much Orianna got played by everyone in the tournament, do you think
there are going to be any nerfs for her?
球女在這次比賽飛這麼高，你覺得她要被 nerf 了嗎？
as ive been saying a thousand times before orianna buffs were pathetic and no
reason to give her those buffs/changes at all. i used to play orianna before
all those changes/buffs and she was balanced back then and people still
banned it against us. they might give her some slight nerfs but i dont think
they want to change too much about her atm
我之前講過了 N 遍，球女根本就不需要那些 buff 跟改變。在那之前我很常玩球女，那時
她已經夠平衡了，而且對手也會 BAN 她來抵制我們。球女應該會被 nerf 一點，但我不覺
得會改變多少。
What is your opinion on AP Tristana?
你覺得 AP 砲娘如何？
When she could explode the minions with spells i really liked her.. now she
is more of a snowballer like leblanc and she can get counterpicked too easily
and people will just 1vs2 an ap tristana
在她還可以靠技能擴散炸小兵的時候我真的很喜歡她…現在她比較像勒布朗這種雪球角，
而且她容易被康特，對手會壓爛她。
How do you feel about TPA winning vs M5?
你對 TPA 贏 M5 有什麼感想？
it was unexpected but im so happy to see stanley play nidalee, thats how tpa
won their first scrims against us, annoying nidalee is annoying
出乎意料，但我很高興能看到史丹立玩 Nid，TPA 就是靠這個第一次贏了跟我們的團練。
盧洨洨的奶大力真的超煩的。
Goals for S3?
personal and as a team.
在 S3 對於個人和隊伍的目標？
Be a better cook - also I want people to practise more champions instead of
play random champs in soloq
當一個更好的廚師。還有我希望隊員能練習更多的英雄，而不是在 soloQ 中隨便亂玩。
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what do you think you need to improve on for season 3?
你覺得你們在 S3 需要改進什麼？
more versatile champions on every single lane, more aggresive less
predictive, already doing a good job at lvl 1s
每一路都要有更多可出的英雄，化被動轉主動。單挑這部分應該已經做得很不錯了。
If Anivia existed in real life, would you mate with her?
如果現實世界真的有艾妮維亞的存在，你會跟她在一起嗎？
Already did and Annie is my little child <3
已經在一起了唷，安妮就是我們的小孩。 <3
（外國鄉民：原來霜火安妮是這樣來的。）
Wickd's champion pool too small?
Wickd 會的英雄是不是太少了？
atm yes. but i think its because he is spamming irelia/jayce because they are
really strong, so he wont get any practise with other champions and then we
have a problem when those 2 will get banned
目前來說是的，不過我覺得他會一直選伊瑞莉亞和杰西是因為這兩隻英雄真的都很強，所
以他才沒有練其他英雄，不過也因為這樣只要這兩隻被 BAN 我們就麻煩大了。
Are there going to be any roster changes on CLG.eu for season 3?
Is there any champion you wish your teammates could play or would learn?
CLG.EU 在 S3 的陣容會改變嗎？有哪些英雄是你希望隊伍可以出或必須要學的？
No. I love my team and I wouldnt want to play with other players than them atm
I wish wickd would truly learn how to play an AP champion top, but all that
will be fixed for season3 and I think he realized he needs to be able to play
AP champ or atleast semi ap top like singed
不會。我喜歡我的隊伍，目前我不想和其他人一起玩。我希望 Wickd 可以練出一隻 AP 單
上，不過 S3 應該會有大變動。我覺得 Wickd 自己也知道它應該要至少會一隻單上 AP，
或者起碼要像辛吉德這種半 AP 角色。
What did you think of the anivia that took down moscow 5 in the other
semifinals? Was it just alex ich's gragas looking worse than normal, or do
you think the changes to gragas have made it a bad matchup.
你對 M5 被冰鳥打爆有什麼看法？是單純因為 Alex 的酒桶沒有發揮水準嗎？還是之前酒
桶的變動讓他在比賽中變得不 OK？
actually it hurt my soul to see so many missed ultimates and q's from toyz..
i really hope he wont play anivia in the finals because it can cost them the
game against azubu frost cause they will know what to do. I know toyz is
playing a really good vlad and vlad is good against gragas so i dont see why
he wouldnt play vlad... on another note: im really looking forward to
rapidstar vs toyz
其實看到 Toyz 的冰鳥 miss 這麼多大絕和 Q 我還蠻傷心的…我覺得他們在冠亞賽不該再
出冰鳥，因為 Azubu Frost 會知道怎麼對付他。我知道 Toyz 的吸血鬼很強，吸血鬼打酒
桶非常 OK，所以我不知道他為啥不出吸血鬼。另外，我很期待看到 Toyz 跟 rapidstar
的對決！
what were you thinking when the internet got cut off just when you were about
to win?
你們快贏的那時候突然斷線後，你們心裡想的是什麼？
at first we were mad about that can even happen, but i respect their decision
and i can kinda understand it. i just hope it will never happen again and
honestly it was a harder kick in the face when i got to know we wouldnt even
finish our match that day cause all of us felt good..
一開始我們覺得這真是扯到翻天然後覺得很火，不過我尊重他們的決定，而且多少能夠理
解。我希望這種鳥事不會再發生了，老實說當我們知道比賽無法在那天結束時感覺就像被
一腳踢在臉上，因為當時我們感覺自己的狀況很好。
How do you feel about Evelynn as an AP mid? Do you think she can be shut down
easily, or does her ability to roam make it hard for other AP mids to deal
with her?
你覺得伊芙琳當中路 AP 如何？你覺得她很好解決嗎？還是因為她的 roam 能力會讓她變
很棘手？
you can shut her down if you know how to! i know all the brasillians know how
to _^
只要知道方法，就可以很輕鬆地解決她。巴西人都知道要怎麼打爆 Eve。 ^_^
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在這邊補上之前好色龍大大（也就是 HornyDragon）有關這方面的解說：
老外普遍對巴西玩家 有著愛作弊、愛鑽漏洞、愛乞討、愛耍白的刻版印象。
而HUE則是巴西人的笑聲，或是說用來嘲笑巴西人的笑聲。
然而之前有一位ID為huehuehue的巴西玩家在歐服用Morde打出一片天，
並成為最強的Morde玩家。
Pls answer this 2 questions :)
1. Top 5 Ap carrys every MID player must know to play?
2. What are the most common mistakes mid players do in lane that make
difference between good and great player?
兩個問題：
1. 中路都應該要會玩的 5 隻 AP 英雄？
2. 哪些最常見的差別可以區分出中路高手和神手？
1. whatever you feel comfortable on, it doesnt even need to be an AP champion
for mid.
2. when to put pressure and when to farm wraiths
1. 選你上手的就好，甚至不一定要是 AP 英雄。
2. 知道何時該給對手施加壓力，還有何時該吃四鬼。
（這個人問超多題，所以我把問答穿插這樣比較方便閱讀）
1) I think everyone would like some comments on the recent semi-final match
against AF. How do you guys evaluate yourself in the matches, what could you
have done better, what did you do wrong etc?
1) 我覺得大家應該都會想知道準決賽和 AF 打的感想。你們對自己有什麼評價呢？像是
哪些可以做得更好，還有哪些做錯了等等。
In general we dont evaluate tournament matches but i feel like these
matches we played against azubu frost/WE made us see we still have a lot to
learn. Not gonna go indept with what we couldve done better, i think one of the
main things is we are bad at keep getting further and further ahead when we win
early game.
一般來說我們不會對比賽做評價，但在和 Azubu Frost 和 WE 打過後，我們發現我們還有
許多需要學習的地方。我覺得有個很重要的一點，就是在藉由遊戲早期的優勢來拉開更大
的差距這方面上，我們做得不是很好。
2) What is up with all the cheating thing!! o.O I see reddit posts about it
everywhere but I was at school. Did they cheat, how? Or what?
2) 作弊事件到底是怎麼回事啊？ o.O 我在 reddit 上到處都看到這個，可是我當時人在
學校所以一無所知。他們真的有作弊嗎？
It was just the minimap behind them they possible looked at, i dont see a
reason to talk about this though, if you research a bit you will get all the
answers you are looking for.
就只是選手有可能看了在他們後面的小地圖，我覺得我沒有談論這個的必要。你自己去搜
尋看看應該就可以找到你想要的答案。
3) HAVE YOU GUYS HAD AN AMAZING TIME OR WHAT?! :D It's so nice to see you
guys being happy and trolly at tourneys, gotta bring that anivia dance out on
the dancefloor. Maybe some karaoke bar one day, yes, CLG.eu boyband 2stronk!
3) 你們玩得超開心的對吧！看到你們耍白目真的很好玩，還有大跳冰鳥舞。改天應該要
來個卡拉 OK，CLG.EU 樂團太屌了！
We did have a good time and we really like the way s2 has been. If we came to
the finals i wouldve considered doing the anivia dance for sure!
我們真的玩得很開心，也很喜歡 S2 世界冠軍賽。如果我們真的有進決賽的話我絕對會毫
不猶豫地大跳冰鳥舞！
4) How is Miguel?
4) Miguel 如何？
He is being Miguel the kupo (nobody understands the kupo part because they
dont know what happened with deman and jatts notes!)
（拍寫這題我整個跨謀，Miguel 是誰？ 囧）
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以下是熱心蘋果獸寄信來的補充說明～
「就是之前Krepo要入境美國時出的麻煩
好像被認錯為是一個叫Miguel的計程車司機而被拒絕入境
大概吧 還是後來冒充是一個叫Miguel的計程車司機才入境
我想第一個比較可能」
5) Does Snoopeh's stare kill if you look at him too long?
5) 如果你一直盯著史努比看的話真的會被他瞪死嗎？
Not if you are lee sin
如果你是李星的話就不會。
6) Just laying out an idea here, you and Wickd doing some cool stuff in
Denmark later this year? Maybe for fans, meet-up, danish community stuff or
something :)?
6) 只是一個想法，你和 Wickd 有可能在今年為丹麥來個什麼特別的玩意兒嗎？像是粉絲
同樂會之類的東西。
I doubt we gonna do anything like that since im not sure what wickd will be
doing and im not that close to any big city, i would possibly do it if there
is a lot of interest for it.
恐怕我們沒辦法做類似的東西，因為我不知道 Wickd 接下來要做什麼，而我住的地方附近
沒有任何的大城市。如果弄起來真的會很有趣的話我會考慮看看。
7) The clip from the WE match where you guys catch out Nocturne and kill
everyone to win the game and going 1-1, was that your inner anivia screech
surfacing right there? :D Btw so inspirational to watch that somehow.
7) 在 WE 的夜曲衝向你們的那瞬間，你內心是不是有一隻小冰鳥燃燒了呢？順便一提那場
比賽真的很激勵人心。
it was my inner froggen~
燃燒的是我內心的另一個佛根～
What makes a person a successful mid player in soloQ? Is it always buying 1-2
wards when you back to buy or just playing safe mid and farming up for
mid/late game?
在 soloQ 當一個成功的中路玩家的關鍵是什麼？是每次回家的時候都要帶一兩隻眼嗎？還
是乖乖地農到中後期出關？
being able to counterpick or just outroam the opponent, easiest way to win
soloq cause people like to rage at eachother if people go on eachothers lanes
ehehehehe
用選角康特對方，或是去別線亂；這是在 soloQ 時最簡單的獲勝方法，因為有別線的人來
亂時，通常對面就會開始彼此責怪，嘿嘿嘿。
What do you think, what could your team have done to win the last game?
What was the Problem in the 2. after your awesome win in the 1. Game?
Will you consider pickin up new Mid Champs on Tourney Level like Eve, maybe
Xerath, longer forgotten Heroes who are strong but underplayed.
Maybe even a Froggen TF? =D
Still congratz for the Games, you rocked !
你覺得你的隊伍在遊戲後期會做什麼來贏得勝利？在漂亮地贏了第一場遊戲後，第二場是
出了什麼問題？你會考慮選伊芙琳，或是齊勒斯這種被人遺忘但是很強的英雄嗎？或者有
機會看到你玩 TF？ =D
還是恭喜你們囉，你超酷！
we shouldnt try to do the impossible and we need to have a clue what we
should do after a fast laning.
in the second game we couldnt poke and we basically fell behind on all lanes
vs a snowball comp so its really hard to get back from that, also people
didnt have fast enough reactions
I already do play TF a lot and I love that champion but my team - specially
wickd - doesnt feel comfortable when we are playing that champion
我們應該盡可能地放手去做，並且在遊戲早期得對線期後理出個頭緒知道接著該做什麼。
在第二場比賽中我們沒辦法 poke，基本上我們全線崩潰，很難逆轉情勢，而且也沒有夠快
的反應。
我其實有在玩 TF 而且我也很喜歡他，但是我的隊伍，特別是 Wickd，覺得和 TF 一起玩
不是很舒服。
"I love Anivia"
But I thought Kanade was your waifu? Or do you have 2 waifus?
「我愛艾妮維亞。」
不過我想立華奏才是你老婆吧？還是你有兩個老婆？
secretly she is anivia
偷偷跟你說，立華奏就是艾妮維亞。
How do you feel towards all the support CLG.eu has gotten?
對於所有對 CLG.EU 的支持你有什麼感想？
its the most awesome thing in the world. i will definately do my best to
repay all the fans for that awesome support
這是全世界最棒的東西。我會盡我所能做到最好，才不會辜負所有粉絲的支持。
tits or ass?
ㄋㄟ ㄋㄟ 還是屁屁？
I believe you asked me before in my AMA a couple of months ago ~ the answer
will stay at "both"
你是不是在前幾個月的 AMA 問過問一樣的問題？答案還是一樣，我兩個都要。
（佛根你好貪心唷！ >///<）
（發問的鄉民表示他沒問過，不過題目的確是學別人的。 XD）
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噢耶翻完啦！剛好以完美的一題做結！（咦？）
這次翻的比較多不確定的，有些我就根據佛根的回答用猜的，
有些實在怎麼猜都怪怪的就沒翻附上原文了，還請翻譯高手指教！
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10/13 23:09, , 8F
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…靠腰他是說所有巴西人都知道怎麼打爆 Eve 嗎？Whyyyyy？ <囧>
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10/13 23:11, , 12F
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？ 所以是 Morde 康特 Eve 的意思？
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就像哈下覺得自己的 Nid 還是比史丹立強一樣。 ww
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10/13 23:30, , 24F
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他的 Nid 簡直是藝術，就跟佛根的冰鳥一樣。
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10/13 23:31, , 26F
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10/13 23:40, , 33F
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10/13 23:44, , 37F
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10/13 23:47, , 43F
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10/13 23:47, , 44F
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10/13 23:51, , 47F
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10/13 23:58, , 51F
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10/14 00:02, , 55F
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10/14 00:07, , 58F
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10/14 00:08, , 59F
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10/14 00:09, , 60F
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10/14 00:15, , 62F
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10/14 00:20, , 63F
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10/14 00:21, , 65F
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10/14 00:24, , 67F
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10/14 00:24, , 68F
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10/14 00:24, , 69F
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10/14 00:25, , 70F
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感謝各位大德的補充說明，讓我的翻譯資訊更完整～ <3
※ 編輯: cat0405 來自: 219.85.204.138 (10/14 00:42)
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10/14 00:36, , 71F
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10/14 00:55, , 72F
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10/14 00:56, , 73F
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10/14 00:56, , 74F
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10/14 01:29, , 75F
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10/14 01:30, , 76F
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10/14 01:38, , 77F
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10/14 01:38, , 78F
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10/14 01:39, , 79F
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10/14 01:39, , 80F
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