Re: [翻譯] Online prjects and motivation

看板GameDesign (遊戲設計)作者twoWeek時間15年前 (2010/08/05 23:15)推噓17(17推 0噓 38→)

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幫翻一下，順便加點自己的想法。 : 2. Join a project believing a lot of tangible/end usable work has been done : and as soon as they get access to the inner circle feel that every thing was : just smoke and mirrors and is nothing more than just sugar coated talk. : 決定加入前,以為一些繁雜/底層的工作已經被別人做完了.但是進入狀況後才發現一堆事 : 情都還沒具體成型. (因此覺得這專案的一切都是空口說白話) : 3. Want to be part of something but feel that everyone else will teach them : or carry them along to greatness. : 想要被指導. (想參與卻誤以為會因此被罩到超強) -> 這個相信大家玩線上遊戲都拉不下臉想的事，在現實生活的「學習」過程中卻很容易希望它發生… 事實是，主動的學習跟在學校的被動學習比起來，雖然困難得多，但也能給你更多… 每個人都有自己擅長跟不擅長的事（連學校老師都不是每個都會教書了，想也知道擅長技術面「而且」擅長教別人的人更是少之又少嘛），要主動了解自己跟他人的優缺點，努力埋頭鑽研到有知識廣度才有可能與人互相討論、學習到東西。 : 4. Everyone wants to be the idea guy/gal and getting in on the ground floor : everyone pulls in a different direction or trys to inject their own personal : goals in everything they actualy do. : 都想做設計,使得每個人實做的方向都不一樣. (每個人都想當「那個出點子的傢伙」，然後在起步時每個人就都把焦點往不同方向拉，或者把所有事都扯上自己個人的目標) : 5. Feels that they are only here to be the designer and drops the project : when they feel the coders or artists (if any) are not doing anything or what : they want. : 都想做設計,但發現其他人(包含美術)不照他們的想法做事. (或者覺得程式跟美術─如果有美術的話…─沒在作「自己想要他們作的」事就不想幹了) : 6. Are not aware of the large dead zone periods where there is nothing to : show and jump ship feeling it is not moving at their pace. : 絲毫感覺不到專案期限,以至於工作停留在原地. (不知道有時候會暫時沒有可見的成果，覺得事情沒按照他們預期的步調走，就跑了) : 7. View it as a personal elective that they do not have to do so they feel : that any sort of procrastination is fine since any work they do is worth more : than what they are getting in return (that is nothing). : 因為專案沒有回報,因此延遲沒關係,作任何(其他的)事都好過於進行專案. (覺得因為是志願參加的所以延宕也沒關係，反正作任何一點點付出都是很大的貢獻，或者說至少比自己的收穫多（因為根本沒收穫嘛）) : 8. Like shinny new things and will move on to another project if it looks : like it has more people interested or that it will go farther. : 隨意的跳槽到另一個比較有前景的專案. (喜新厭舊所以覺得其它專案人比較多或可能比較有前景就跑了) : 9. Everyone is in different locations around the world and have drastically : different schedules that do not aline with others so ant any given moment it : feels like you are the only one doing any work. : 成員分佈在世界各地,而且也擁有不同的時程表.導致每個人似乎都獨立運作. (因為有這樣的被孤立感，就撐不下去了) : 10. Feel that they are indeed doing all the work as everyone else sits back : and slave drives them for something they are giving freely of themselves to : do. : 覺得自己是唯一認真的人.其他人只會指揮分派工作. : 11. Think different tasks depend on other tasks to be finished before they do : their work (ex. "engine" must be finished before artist start creating : content, etc.) : 真的下去作之前都以為那部份要等別人先完成.(比如說引擎要先完成才能開始製作美術內 : 容) : 12. Honestly do not know where to start for a good foundation and everyone : scatters to different parts they believe are more important. : 不知道從何處開始.或是隨意抓取那些自認為重要的元件. : 13. Do not like the coding style of everyone else and gives up on "princple". : 僅因為原則否定其他人的寫作風格. (吞不下其它任何人的 coding style 所以就為了「原則問題！」而跑了) : 14. Different levels of experience clash. : 工作經驗差距太大. : 15. It was nothing more than an impulse moment and just kind of forget about : it because it really did not mean that much to them in the first place. : 等待靈光一閃的idea出現後才開始. (一開始就根本只是一時興起，慢慢就根本忘了有這回事…基本上就是從來沒放在心上) : 16. The person who started the project usually is the one who trys to take : the leadership role even if their skill set is not fully up to par with : managing a larger team and more times than not are not open to taking some : one elses lead in return. : 專案發起人總是想管理. (發起人自以為是領導者，即使自己管不太動比較大的團隊也不肯讓別人幫忙帶領) : 17. Do not want to take suggestions from the people with real experience or : at least the ones who have tried a particular route and maybe even failed (I : see the wheel re-invented over and over with wrong paths retaken just because : people do not want to listen to honest advice out of spite). : 不接受有經驗人員的意見.(譬如說不要重新造輪子) (有些事根本就有團隊成員試過也失敗過了大家還是根本聽不進去) : 18. Some people are driven by what you can see and play with and sometimes if : it does not get to that point soon enough the non-technical people usually : drift away. : 看到有成果能玩才會繼續留下來,尤其是那些技術能力較低的成員. : 19. More people worry about making engines than games or planning for a : future of re-usability and expandability that more than likely even with : success will not come. : 不想製作一個能重新利用且有擴充性的引擎元件.導致專案無法完成. 這個反了… (比起遊戲本身，過份擔心遊戲引擎的製作或者以後可以重複利用啦擴充啦什麼鳥的那些即使成功的遊戲也不會有的東西) : 20. Really are not into it more than to have a social group that they can : brag about. : 只是想獲取名聲. 「欸～我跟你說我是某某團隊的一員喔開發超忙的～～」 : 21. Spend more time in idle planning and endless research for the "silver : bullet" solution that nothing ever happens since they believe they have all : the time they want. : 花太多時間在研究銀子彈(無法完成的技術方法).導致於什麼也沒作. (因為他們以為自己時間多) : 22. Feel that no work can be done until they get more people or every : "position" seat is filled. : 只想等人員到齊才開始. 沒美術啊～音效又不會作～不如打電動去吧～在找到所有人之前～研究電玩欣賞先啊哈哈 : 23. Hold out hopping to nab a professional to fix all their problems. : 只想等個專家來幫他們解決問題. : 24. Aim too high and never target a project with a subset of tasks that are : best suited to the people at hand. : 目標太高,而從未將專案解構為小工作,以至於每個人都沒辦法接下工作. (將目標分解為「目前手邊成員能作的」工作) : 25. People just get dropped in with the basic feeling from others that they : should know what they should do and work on right off the bat. : 只是因為一個"其他人都該知道該怎麼作"想法(而發現其他人沒有)而離開. (基本上就是想說一跳進來就應該馬上可以知道該作啥、直接開始作事…) -> 能作的事要自己熟悉環境找吧？ : 26. They never do any small team building projects to get used to everyone : and have early sucesses. : 從未參與小組工作或完成專案過. (沒參與一些小型的東西，沒辦法跟大家混熟或得到一點成就感？) : 27. Various age ranges and mental/physical maturity that may or may not be : shared with others that causes clashes or misunderstandings do to how they : talk or express themselves. : 成員間年齡相差過大導致溝通不良,因此造成代溝或誤解. : 28. Ideas really are a dime a dozen and people become so inflexible to : changing anything that they sabbotage what can be done for what they beleive : should be done to the letter. : 過份強調創意的不可侵犯性,導致專案沒有彈性.(改變目標就是破壞信仰) (本來可能可以完成一些不錯的東西，只因為跟原本想法差一點點不符，就自爆了) : 29. Everyone is a zealot over something, be it os, compiler, editor, art : tools, or coding style and fight over thigns that really do not matter. : 對於技術過於狂熱,並互相爭執那些(對專案)一點也不重要的事. : 30. Just do not speak up and feel nothing is worth fighting over and just : leave in silence never to be heard from again. : 從未表達,而且再也聽不到他的出現. ... 這一定是外國人看我們亞洲人 ... : This list is no where close to being exhaustive and could go on and on but is : meant just to give a rough idea of some of the difficulties involved. So : yeah, this is basically venting some frustrations I have come across and I am : sure you and other have as well. There is no single solution or best pratice : is this case since these sorts of groups are all over the spectrum. The only : real solid advice is keep all these things in mind and understand what makes : people tick and what they think and feel (like from the list above) and work : to improve all the points even if it ends up being yourself and or your : project itself. : 這份清單可以不斷變長,但只是粗略地提出一些團隊會遇到的困難.基本上只是說明我曾經 : 遇過且我堅信其他團隊必定會遇到的問題. : 對於各式各樣的團隊而言,沒有單一或最佳的解答. : 唯一的方法就是全盤都考量,而且持續瞭解激勵(或使他們失去動機)每個成員的要素. : 持續有進展,即便那些都變成自己的工作.要不然就好好保護自己. : Nihathrael Member since: 7/21/2010 From: Freising : Posted - 7/21/2010 4:34:00 AM : Joining a new project with an existing code base means working into a lot of : code, this often seems like a big hurdle for especially fairly novice : programmers to take. : 加入一個已經有進行中專案的團隊意思是有一堆程式碼,對於那些真正的新手來說是一個 : 大挑戰. 讀 code 比寫 code 更難.. : It's the expectation of "I'm joining this new project and i'm going to change : the world by doing it" which makes a lot of people leave quickly, when they : see it's not going to happen. : "期待加入新團隊就能改變世界"的想法通常會導致離開. : Most of the people still underestimate the work they have to do, even if you : tell them it's going to be a lot, so don't worry to much about scaring them : away. : 面試的時候先恐嚇新人,避免他(對成果)有過高的期待.(對工作則是過低.)即使會嚇跑一 : 些人. (大部份的人都會低估東西的難度，即使你跟他們說明那超多也是一樣，所以不用擔心講清楚會把人嚇跑。) : Here are some counter measures that can help (again, in my experience): : 一些建議: : - Make clear to new people that working on a project takes a lot of time and : is not always fun but even work sometimes : 明白的告訴新人,工作會很多,而且大多時間沒什麼樂趣. (不是一直都很好玩) : - Make them contribute their first 3 fixes through patches before you give : them repository access (It won't bother them and it will help you keep the : repo clear of unnecessary users) : 至少三個更新之後才把Repository的權限放給新人. (一般人不會在意，而且可以減少不必要的 repo user ) : - Comment your code (yes it's that simple) : 寫註解. (對，就是那麼簡單。) : - Have a bug tracker so people can find themselves tasks easily (and most : importantly, without relying on your help. Working autonomously feels great!) : 使用錯誤追蹤,讓每個人都知道該負責的工作.(而不是老來問你要幹麼.) 不用 bug tracker 列出清單真的會讓人不知道要幹啥… (而且大家自己找工作來完成、幫上忙的感覺超爽！) : - Let the new contributer choose on what he wants to work : 讓新人在工作清單上選擇他想要進行的工作. : - We have an in-code tutorial which takes you through the important classes. : It's basically comments inside the code explaining what each portion of code : does on a fairly high level and then says "To continue your journey, now : check out xyz.file". It's a little adventure through the code if you will. A : lot of new folks have found it quite helpful. : 我們有一個程式碼層級的新手教學.意思是透過註解讓你瞭解這些註解的目的.與檔案間的 : 連結.這很有幫助(譯註:幫助瞭解專案,同時維持coding style) (很多新人都覺得這很有幫助) 「code 裡有 quest！！！快解！！！」 : - Make sure you thank the contributer for his contributions! In open source : world this is all they are going to get! So if someone supplies a patch, : thank him for it. If he continually contributes, add him to the credits. I : know this hard for us computer folks, but saying "Thank you!" really is a : great motivation. : 對於完成工作的成員表示肯定,公開的把他放在工作人員名單上. (在 open source 的世界，這就是大家唯一得到的 credit！！！有人給 patch 就要感謝他一下，如果他持續幫忙，就把他加上去。我知道這個對我們電腦人滿難的，不過記得說聲「3Q!」真的會給大家動力） : - Make them feel part of a team. Always talk in terms of "we are releasing a : new version where we implemente a, b and c." "We have to tackle this new : problem", etc. : 工作像個團隊,讓團隊持續跟上發布新版本的計畫.讓大伙知道問題被實際解決. (讓大家覺得自己是被當成團隊的一員，說話（寫信）的時候用詞要注意說「我們 release 了這個…」「我們在這個版本實作了這些…」，「接下來我們要一起把這個幹掉…」之類的) : - Create an IRC channel where you meet up with people regularly(this can be : hard if you live in different time zones) and require regular contributers to : join when they work on the game or even better always when they are online. : Again this is a team building experience to everyone and you get to know each : other fairly well. This will also help new people as if experienced : contributers are online as often as possible, rather simple questions can be : answered quickly instead of taking the new guy ages to figure out. : 建立即時通訊的管道,更好的情況是隨時都是上線的.讓成員間多瞭解彼此.快速回答問題. (如果大家時區不同可能有點難) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.45.8.211

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