[新聞] FXO.Boss對韓國SC2電競的預言

看板StarCraft (星海爭霸2 - SC2)作者 (1 2 3 4 疾風炭)時間13年前 (2013/01/15 23:10), 編輯推噓55(55053)
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ps論壇有翻 所以我就可以省點工夫了 FXO.Boss是"前"FXO的總經理 這也會反應出一些ESF團體的一些困難現況 http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/ http://playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=343594&extra=page%3D1 A brief look at Korea 2013 2013年韓國星際2一瞥 Greetings, and happy new year everyone. 2013 is going to be an exciting one for me, and I hope it is the same for everyone in e-sports. 2013對我來說會是不錯的一年,希望對你們每個電競界的人來說也是 I have been taking notes on some patterns I am seeing in Korea at the moment, and am now looking to analyse and potentially predict the future of Korean SC2. 我在韓國時看到和記錄了一些東西,打算根據它們對星際2在韓國的未來做個簡單分析。 Before I start, I want to give a shout out to Mr Alex Garfield, from Evil Geniuses. He probably has done a similar analysis and has made moves to position him self correctly. 首先我想為EG的老闆Alex Garfield叫一聲好。他可能看到了和我差不多的東西,然後做 出了這個正確的判斷(指讓EG參加SPL)。 I will now explain my point of view. With EG-TL joining proleague (which was the worst kept secret I have ever seen in sc2 thanks to the ever so Awesome JYP and the korean gossip mill) we saw the first 「FOREIGN」 (I want to put many 「『s around that word) team in proleague. The thing about this proleague is 1) You are locked in for 1 year, and 2) the prize money is more than enough to fund an entire team in Korea for 12 months without salary (paying all expenses). 隨著EGTL參加SPL,第一次有一支「外國」戰隊出現在了SPL裡。首先意味著這一賽季裡 你不用幹別的了,而且如果你能奪冠軍,光獎金就夠付這一隊所有的開銷。 This is starcraft 2, so I am not going to compare it to brood war during its hayday, but it kinda makes the GSTL and GSL look like playhem weeklies from an analytical point of view. 因為現在是星際2,我不會拿星際1全盛時期來說事,但就算是現在,這個SPL也讓GSTL和 GSL看上去像是線上週賽一樣不值一提。 What I see this is, is a power push by proleague to shake out GSL. And its a damn good one. 我認為SPL將會猛幹GSL,而且它會很成功。 GOMTV has never formally released its numbers for subscriptions and public viewership, when requested for these numbers, they have outright refused to give them out privately, which handicaps the ESF teams with obtaining sponsorship. Most of the OGN online broadcast numbers are blatantly public, and correctly so. This helps with luring potential investment, and automatically puts the KESPA teams 1 step ahead of the ESF teams. GOMTV從不告訴我們它的比賽有多少付費用戶和觀眾,即使私下裡要並承諾保密也不會告 訴你。這讓ESF戰隊很難去拉贊助。而所有的OGN的直播的觀看人數都是公開的,而且是準 確的。這讓SPL戰隊在獲得贊助上天生就比ESF戰隊強。 Locking in the teams for 1 year and having the number of broadcasts as it is, will allow the fans to migrate to the KESPA teams. Lets face it, the production, even though it would be in a 「e-stadium」 or 「giant lan cafe」 is still close to the GOMTV production minus the english casters. Casters recently, do not have as much pull as people think, the numbers do not vary dramatically from caster to caster like they used to. People are more attached to players, but this is another story. 一個可以持續關注參賽隊伍一年的賽季和直播場次會把觀眾從ESF這邊拉向KESPA隊伍那 邊。面對這個事實吧,SPL的比賽的包裝,無論在電競館裡還是那網吧裡除了英文解說以 外都不比GOMTV的比賽差,而且最近這段時間誰解說比賽對觀眾人數的影響並沒有以前那 麼多,觀眾更看重選手們,這是等下要說的另一個方面。 Looking past the production of the KESPA run tournament, the prize money is the most important part. 除了賽事包裝以外,獎金也是個重要的區別。 ESF will be lucky to have 4 teams remaining in its organisation by the end of 2013. Why? 到今年年底,ESF如果還能剩4個隊在堅持都得燒高香了,為毛? Well, for starters its damn hard to sell an ESF korean team, because the event they play in does not allow you to use the numbers to lure sponsors. You have to run on assumed numbers, and explaining why the numbers are not made public to the participants to a corporate person is pretty embarressing. 事情是這樣的,你很難替一個ESF韓國戰隊找到贊助商,因為它們參加的比賽是不告訴你 有多少收看,讓你好拿這個數據去說服贊助商的。你得自己想辦法推測出觀眾人數,然後 去跟贊助商解釋這個即使對參賽隊伍也不公開的數字的可信性是件非常坑爹的事情。 Investor capital from teams like Azubu, EG, TL etc. will take the majority of ace players from the ESF teams over time. It does not cost much to buy a Korean ace, and the dramatic, emotional mentality of the korean pro gamers basically means if you give them a good offer, they will get so emotional about it that the current team has lost them forever. 資金寬裕的歐美和新興戰隊,比如EG,TL,AZUBU,很容易就能挖走ESF戰隊裡的核心隊 員,也不用花太多錢。這些韓國隊員對戰隊沒什麼感情,只要一份價錢不錯的合同,他們 抬腿就走。 I dare say this is the case with parting, but I dont know the story. So don't quote me on it. 我敢說parting也是這種情況。但是因為我不瞭解內情,別拿我的話到處貼。 As the aces move on, and most likely crash and burn (the current environment is a breeding ground for talent, the money environment in foreign teams is not. I do not really need to explain my opinion on this) you are left with struggling teams who have to re-do social media and re-advertise their players only to lose them again. 好隊員一跑路,你就難受了。ESF戰隊目前水平還不錯,錢是真沒國外戰隊寬裕,你們也 都知道。別指望能重新培養出你的核心來,他們只會又一次被買跑。 So in the end the ESF teams will most probably remain struggling for the remainder of the existance of ESF. 所以最後ESF戰隊都會面臨能不能活下去的問題。 Again back to the prize money, GSL's pitiful team league prize pool is a huge reason to look at it and go meh. Its no secret that a large number of the 『fan favourite' players do not prepare for the team league if it is not a super important match. The public will notably mention IM as the best team in the world, but they have had some miserable GSTL competitions, and its easy to assume that they do not take it as seriously due to the money aspect, this is heresay, but its safe to assume. 回頭說獎金。GSTL的獎金數目太可憐了,選手根本不上心。你們也都知道很多著名選手 都不把GSTL當回事,IM就出來賣了很多次,誰都知道是因為獎金做的取捨。 Proleague players live and breath proleague, the games have been a mixture of awesome games, and disgustingly low quality games, but there is a mixture, which keeps it interesting. The new maps from the map team have changed the game slightly which makes it fresh and new, and the prize money is big enough to make it worth while for any time participating. Proleague wins, hands down. SPL選手對比賽很盡力。SPL的比賽裡有些很棒,有些很爛,但它們混在一起就讓觀眾有 興趣一直看下去,地圖組做的新地圖也帶來了很多的新鮮感,足夠多的獎金也讓戰隊有參 加的動力。SPL會是贏家,投降吧。 The GSL-KESPA player trading block will end soon enough, and I dare say the KESPA organisations will gather up enough capital to buy anyone that matters to finish off the shake off. 那個不交易選手的協定很快就會結束,KESPA戰隊有足夠的錢想買誰就買誰。 What can GOM do? Well, properly support its teams would be a good start. But I don't see that happening. Gather further capital to increase production and prize money. This is possible, but they are now competing in korea with the KESPA org for sponsorships (team 8 for instance). GOMTV可以做什麼?或者給ESF戰隊更多的支持可以起到效果,但我沒看到它在做這些事 情。找更多的贊助來包裝比賽和增加資金,這是有可能的,不過現在它在這方面也面臨著 來自KESPA的競爭,比如T8。 For those who dont know, south korea is pretty much owned by a bunch of conglomerates. All the major companies are tied to a giant mother company in some way, and the KESPA teams have most of them as sponsors or a part of them as sponsors. So getting a huge company to sponsor GSL from Korea is going to be almost impossible. GSL then needs to some how appeal to a foreign major. Which doing a production in a school hall (or gym or something) won't achieve. So GOM is essentially stuck in this rut. As players become more desperate for money, and money coming from either foreign teams, or proleague, I don't know how ESF can last. 有些讀者不太瞭解,在韓國有些非常大的公司會贊助電競,可它們大都是KESPA的合作夥 伴,SPL戰隊可以有它們的贊助,ESF戰隊想找一個就很難。而找國外大公司贊助又不是你 在小場館或小禮堂裡辦個比賽就能吸引到的。這是個無解的局面。 當隊員們越來越只看重錢,而錢在國外戰隊和SPL戰隊的那一邊,我不知道ESF戰隊有什 麼辦法可以繼續撐下去。 What would I do if I was Gretech? 要我是GOMTV我怎麼辦? Sell GSL to KESPA and merge ESF and KESPA. The players don't like KESPA sure, but its all about survival and money for them in the end. 把GSL和ESF戰隊轉讓給KESPA。選手們不喜歡KESPA,但是只有這樣才能維持下去。 *My writing is extra rusty today, and I was writing this whilst cleaning my mothers pantry as she likes to keep things that are out of date* 寫得亂了點,我這是一邊寫一邊在幫我老媽收拾東西。 *I no longer am affiliated with the FXOpen e-Sports organisation, so this viewpoint does not reflect the organisations opinion or direction* 我不再是FXOpen的管理人了,這個東西只代表我個人觀點。 -- ガンダム揚げ 第参点伍話 世界の中心でアイ花を叫んだけもの ψDeathDeath 阿 夏 鹿 オメデトウ! \ AGEシステムは伊達じゃない!! / ( 0w0) ( 0w0) ( 0w0) オメデトウ! ──────╔════════════ (/\)☆ (/\)☆ (/\)☆ ──────════≡○║ ← 殖民地核心  ̄ ̄ ̄哈 ̄ ̄ ̄熊 ̄ ̄ ̄巴 ̄ラブプラス! ̄ ̄ ̄▇▇≡/ ̄║ ← ☆( )☆( ) ( 0w)/ ラブプラス!  ̄ ̄≡╱> ╚════════════ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.113.49.86

01/15 23:10, , 1F
前?他不是老闆喔?
01/15 23:10, 1F

01/15 23:12, , 2F
他自己說他不是的
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01/15 23:13, , 3F
2012/9換人 由FXO.Unstable接任
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01/15 23:13, , 4F
$$$$$$$$$$
01/15 23:13, 4F

01/15 23:14, , 5F
不過SPL那坑爹的廣告放法 有夠拖台錢( ′_>`)
01/15 23:14, 5F

01/15 23:14, , 6F
那也是GSL的問題啊:GSL沒廣告
01/15 23:14, 6F

01/15 23:15, , 7F
GOMTV要經營自己的線上平台 但是資訊不公開讓ESF的隊伍
01/15 23:15, 7F

01/15 23:15, , 8F
如果要找贊助商就吃很大的悶虧
01/15 23:15, 8F

01/15 23:15, , 9F
IM裝弱被點名了 XD
01/15 23:15, 9F

01/15 23:15, , 10F
我覺得他有點hater的心態,沒那麼嚴重只是有些也挺有道理
01/15 23:15, 10F

01/15 23:16, , 11F
我覺得他有說到ESF戰隊困境的核心 舞台的可見度不確定
01/15 23:16, 11F

01/15 23:17, , 12F
GOMTV不知道會不會出來說為啥都不公佈數據
01/15 23:17, 12F

01/15 23:18, , 13F
最大的問題還是在他們真的留不住選手,別提現在還有KESPA
01/15 23:18, 13F

01/15 23:21, , 14F
蠻有道理的
01/15 23:21, 14F

01/15 23:21, , 15F
他講得其實蠻有道理啊 至少為了錢ST就先少兩個 還是有成績的
01/15 23:21, 15F

01/15 23:22, , 16F
如果阿龜也成功到Kespa領錢 那對esf有成績選手吸引力更加大
01/15 23:22, 16F

01/15 23:24, , 17F
跳槽不知道會不會像滾雪球那樣...
01/15 23:24, 17F

01/15 23:24, , 18F
原來IM戰隊賽亂打是這樣阿
01/15 23:24, 18F

01/15 23:25, , 19F
那是他的想法 他跟ESF那群人處的並不好
01/15 23:25, 19F

01/15 23:26, , 20F
IM應該不是亂打,只是他們的王牌不是打那種非番戰的強者
01/15 23:26, 20F

01/15 23:26, , 21F
實際上GSL收視應該是不差的 GOMTV掛掉的時候
01/15 23:26, 21F

01/15 23:26, , 22F
IM戰隊賽一開始真的很隨便 兩個大魔王都只是人形立牌
01/15 23:26, 22F

01/15 23:26, , 23F
那幾天用twitch的收視我記得也不輸SPL
01/15 23:26, 23F

01/15 23:28, , 24F
IM上MVP跟上yoda你會怕誰 ...
01/15 23:28, 24F

01/15 23:28, , 25F
好啦,四個月前的MVP,六十名的那個
01/15 23:28, 25F

01/15 23:28, , 26F
我的印象中大約一萬人 比EGTL沒上場時的SPL多
01/15 23:28, 26F

01/15 23:29, , 27F
永華也是戰隊賽的強者啊
01/15 23:29, 27F

01/15 23:29, , 28F
不過SPL人數應該會慢慢上升 而且他們的英文主播有很大改善
01/15 23:29, 28F

01/15 23:29, , 29F
空間
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01/15 23:29, , 30F
亂打嘛...MVP還好,你看雀茶整天睡覺,上場也都是賣的...
01/15 23:29, 30F

01/15 23:30, , 31F
SPL先改掉廣告吧= =,長的要死
01/15 23:30, 31F

01/15 23:30, , 32F
那我倒覺得不會 SPL在Twitch的放映水準實在....毫無進步
01/15 23:30, 32F

01/15 23:30, , 33F
另外就是我不太容易內文說的由誰播報對觀眾數影響不大
01/15 23:30, 33F

01/15 23:31, , 34F
影響可大了......................XD
01/15 23:31, 34F

01/15 23:31, , 35F
至於解說很重要 SPL換這兩個英文主播就是個實例
01/15 23:31, 35F

01/15 23:31, , 36F
有人知道內文所謂ESF的戰隊有哪些嗎?
01/15 23:31, 36F

01/15 23:31, , 37F
TL一堆人暴走就是因為那是從A級變成C級
01/15 23:31, 37F

01/15 23:31, , 38F
一開始由EGTL安排主播的時候人數會快兩萬
01/15 23:31, 38F

01/15 23:32, , 39F
那兩個主播單位名稱弄錯 報錯礦數 戰術timing不清
01/15 23:32, 39F
還有 29 則推文
01/15 23:46, , 69F
來說 你要他們吃什麼啊
01/15 23:46, 69F

01/15 23:46, , 70F
收回EGTL聯合製播英文流 其一就是要主播賽評在韓國
01/15 23:46, 70F

01/15 23:46, , 71F
不能解說歐美線下賽的話會少賺很多XD
01/15 23:46, 71F

01/15 23:47, , 72F
又看了一遍文章,果然重點還是在鈔票,不是晶礦跟瓦斯
01/15 23:47, 72F

01/15 23:49, , 73F
職業電競當然向錢看齊 不懂得搞金源還想搞什?
01/15 23:49, 73F

01/15 23:52, , 74F
我以一個觀眾的角度來說,SPL真的有點難看....
01/15 23:52, 74F

01/15 23:53, , 75F
個人認為kespa台面上的選手除了頂尖ace以外打的都很像A級
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01/15 23:53, , 76F
廣告也算是一個因素,看了個3分鐘大招等15分鐘廣告
01/15 23:53, 76F

01/15 23:54, , 77F
只能期待OSL這種個人賽才能跟GSL作比較合理的比較
01/15 23:54, 77F

01/15 23:55, , 78F
GSTL獎金真的少到靠杯
01/15 23:55, 78F

01/15 23:57, , 79F
觀眾數不能公開真的影響很大~贊助商沒有個依據能做決策
01/15 23:57, 79F

01/16 00:00, , 80F
GSTL每季3000萬韓圜共3季
01/16 00:00, 80F

01/16 00:00, , 81F
冠軍
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01/16 00:01, , 82F
總獎金6300萬韓圜*3
01/16 00:01, 82F

01/16 00:02, , 83F
最大的問題是GSTL辦成填GSL空檔的節目
01/16 00:02, 83F

01/16 00:02, , 84F
重視度就不高了
01/16 00:02, 84F

01/16 00:10, , 85F
SPL看廣告就飽
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01/16 00:10, , 86F
強度又大輸GSL
01/16 00:10, 86F

01/16 00:13, , 87F
比較喜歡個人賽...
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01/16 00:20, , 88F
SPL實力會越來越進步的
01/16 00:20, 88F

01/16 00:25, , 89F
我比較好奇現任FXO經營者會怎麼回應
01/16 00:25, 89F

01/16 00:35, , 90F
SPL再挖五個 十個 二十個人 強度會慢慢追上再超過GSL的
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01/16 00:39, , 91F
挖角是還好, 重點還是能不能搶到優秀的新人
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01/16 00:40, , 92F
哪邊有底薪我就去哪 ...
01/16 00:40, 92F

01/16 00:46, , 93F
SPL 現在的確是不太好看= =
01/16 00:46, 93F

01/16 01:04, , 94F
SPL跟GSL比是一場決勝VS番戰 這要看每個人的喜好
01/16 01:04, 94F

01/16 01:04, , 95F
Kespa的頂尖ace現在也有一票在code A吧
01/16 01:04, 95F

01/16 01:20, , 96F
SPL還是很難看...
01/16 01:20, 96F

01/16 01:22, , 97F
廣告太長所以我常常中途去做別的事
01/16 01:22, 97F

01/16 01:22, , 98F
然後就忘了有比賽這回事了......
01/16 01:22, 98F

01/16 01:30, , 99F
SPL也是有它的可看性啦 畢竟有一堆奇怪的打法挺有趣的
01/16 01:30, 99F

01/16 02:44, , 100F
很有道理 沒錢要怎麼鬥營KESPA
01/16 02:44, 100F

01/16 02:48, , 101F
星海首先要考慮的是推廣吧......
01/16 02:48, 101F

01/16 02:49, , 102F
蟲心的預售可能還不錯,但後續應該會有點慘
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01/16 02:50, , 103F
蟲心沒起來,那GSL SPL說不定會合併...
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01/16 04:31, , 104F
哈哈哈哈 這裡面有玄機的 當作笑話一則來看就好
01/16 04:31, 104F

01/16 09:40, , 105F
英文還OK的建議看英文,翻譯自己做了一些刪節和語氣詞
01/16 09:40, 105F

01/16 11:34, , 106F
SPL現在內容雖然不好看 可是還蠻喜歡他的賽制的
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01/16 11:34, , 107F
很多新鮮的對戰組合可以看
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01/16 12:20, , 108F
人家IM就是有大廠贊助阿 就算gomtv倒了
01/16 12:20, 108F
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