Re: [問題] 匕首選擇問題 搭配LS

看板PathofExile (流亡黯道 - Path of Exile)作者 (所以 我選擇了沉默)時間13年前 (2013/04/11 18:08), 編輯推噓8(8011)
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疑問有點多, 先轉貼wiki計算的模型 Imagine a player wielding a sword that deals 100 Physical Damage, and performs an attack with the following modifiers: 50% of Physical Damage converted to Cold Damage from a skill gem 30% of Physical Damage converted to Fire Damage from gear 30% of Physical Damage converted to Lightning Damage from gear 30% of Physical Damage Added as Fire Damage from a support gem 15% of Physical Damage Added as Cold Damage from a support gem 50% of Cold Damage converted to Fire Damage from a support gem Adds 30 Cold Damage from a support gem 30% more Physical Damage from a support gem 70% more Weapon Elemental Damage from a support gem 80% increased Physical Damage with Swords from passive skills 30% increased Melee Physical Damage from Strength and passive skills 20% increased Fire Damage from passive skills 15% increased Cold Damage from passive skills First off, there is more than 100% of physical damage conversion, so the values are scaled to total 100%. As a result, 50% of physical damage will become Cold Damage, 25% will become Fire Damage, and 25% will become Lightning Damage. 然後我直接挑閃電傷害的部份, The Lightning Damage There is 25 Lightning Damage that was converted from Physical. This damage is affected by all Lightning and Physical Damage modifiers: 80 + 30 = 110% increased damage 30% more damage 70% more damage 25 * (1 + 0.8 + 0.3) * 1.3 * 1.7 = 116.0 Lightning Damage 根據Wiki的 Attack 計算是這樣沒錯。 我現在有疑問的是,這套公式可以直接套用到閃電打擊上嘛?! PS.板上的閃電打擊綠石三擇系列文及 3429那篇IG能否作用到閃電打擊這兩篇我都有看。 感覺跟這公式還有上面導出的結論有出入。 -- 傑米,炸掉它吧。 ⊙─ ─⊙▂⊙ 碰到問題,用C4就對了! █◤ Adam Savage James Hyneman MYTHBUSTERS by dajidali -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.169.133.13

04/11 18:09, , 1F
這樣沒錯吧 比較難算的是投射物的物理傷害?
04/11 18:09, 1F
不是懷疑這公式有錯, 我在猜是不是我被閃電打擊的面板DPS傷害給誤導了。 假設我的閃電打擊面板dps是5k,每秒是4下,每下是1250 那這1250是 揮刀那下跟單一閃電拋射物的總和嘛?! 這樣也許能釐清我對一些gem 傷害增幅的疑問。

04/11 18:12, , 2F
原po為什麼認為LS例外?
04/11 18:12, 2F
我沒有認為它例外,只是有實際裝一些gem後,dps的漲幅沒有gem的數據來的大。 ex.像是MPD這顆這顆基礎是30%,但我印象中我裝下去並沒有30%的DPS增幅。

04/11 18:13, , 3F
面板只顯示melee部分
04/11 18:13, 3F
原來如此 <囧>

04/11 18:16, , 4F
看了一下樓上的IG文 這樣IG應該是必點? 傷害加很多
04/11 18:16, 4F
但又跟3429那邊的文章衝突,那篇版友寫說 他裝IG後只增加一點點。

04/11 18:16, , 5F
高str的時候 AFD hatred也都可以吃到加成
04/11 18:16, 5F

04/11 18:17, , 6F
MPD裝下去比WED面板傷害還高啊XD 但是只是寫爽的
04/11 18:17, 6F

04/11 18:17, , 7F
投射物傷害看不到 所以只增加一點點不知道怎麼判斷的..
04/11 18:17, 7F

04/11 18:18, , 8F
不到30%的原因很多 像是定值元素傷害
04/11 18:18, 8F
另外那請教一下,用LS近距來尻怪, 怪物會吃到4下傷害嘛XD?!(1 melee + 3 Projectile)

04/11 18:23, , 9F
不會吧 怪沒有倒特別快啊XD 會就imba了
04/11 18:23, 9F
XD,可是火球跟FP不是會嘛

04/11 18:27, , 10F
我只要提到MPD就會強調這是melee 和proj一點關係都沒有
04/11 18:27, 10F

04/11 18:28, , 11F
你再仔細看我上一篇提到MPD的部分
04/11 18:28, 11F
有,所以我刪掉了,感謝你:D 所以MPD這顆有點華而不實啊 ~ 無法全作用Orz

04/11 18:29, , 12F
我印象中,IG好像只有加成"物理"部份的投射物傷害
04/11 18:29, 12F

04/11 18:29, , 13F
或者說,是投射物中的"物理"傷害
04/11 18:29, 13F
3429篇底下的推文也是這樣講~ 好亂啊 XD

04/11 18:35, , 14F
我記得IG是"increase"而非"more",所以應該加不多吧....
04/11 18:35, 14F
嗯,是increase沒錯,那感覺IG這顆對閃電打擊還挺弱的。

04/11 18:36, , 15F
300str大概就是+60%phy dmg 比AFD高一些
04/11 18:36, 15F

04/11 18:37, , 16F
但AFD會被WED加成所以詳細還要再算
04/11 18:37, 16F
真是他喵的複雜。

04/11 18:38, , 17F
60%*0.7 increase已經抵好幾個天賦點了吧XD
04/11 18:38, 17F
不意外啊XD 這遊戲的攻擊天賦不少效益上都輸給gem Q20的ICD就可以抵13顆gem了 ※ 編輯: caution 來自: 118.169.133.13 (04/11 18:40)

04/11 18:40, , 18F
我弓手點了IG後多了32%,但總物理傷提高並沒有很多
04/11 18:40, 18F

04/11 18:41, , 19F
因為從天賦裝備中得到太多了加成了,相對之下就較無感
04/11 18:41, 19F
※ 編輯: caution 來自: 118.169.133.13 (04/11 18:45)
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