[情報] FTR的SS對WT的看法...

看板Wargaming (戰艦世界 - WOT)作者tai33ru (磁磚大)時間12年前 (2013/10/13 12:37)推噓15(16推 1噓 48→)

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大家或許已經知道隔壁棚War Thunder昨天公布了自家的戰車科技樹，身為資深WOT部落客的SS（就是每天放Q&A給大家見識SerB的Troll功，FTR的部落主）也對這發表了一些看法，不過他好像很不滿意啊XD，我跟朋友看著看著就忍不住翻譯起來了XDDD，大家看看可以討論討論，以下本文： - Hello everyone, 嗨各位（毫無疑問就是個招呼）： this will be the first and probably the last (at least on FTR) post on War Thunder I am going to make, comparing both games from "outside" point of view. I will not be commenting on War Thunder planes, as I didn’t play them nearly enough and I didn’t play World of Warplanes either at all. Just tanks. 這將會是我第一篇也是最後一篇（至少在FTR裡邊）討論War Thunder的文章，用外部觀點來看兩個遊戲的差異。但我不會評論WT的飛機，因為我玩的實在不多，我也沒有在玩WoWp，就只有玩WOT而已。 Let’s roll back a week or so ago (or is it two weeks?) to the Igromir game expo (something like Russian Gamescom or E3), where Gaijin unveiled the tanks for War Thunder. I watched the stream and was like “holy shit, that looks like Skyrim with tanks!” – and it does, doesn’t it? I mean, the quality was beautiful. But even then, after the “preeeeeettyyyyyyyy” feeling wore off, I noticed some physics glitches, like StuG getting stuck on some stone or whatever, nothing serious, but enough to break the “this will be awesome” feeling. 讓我們來看看也許是一周前（或兩周）的Igromir電玩展（俄國版Gamescom 或是E3）蝸牛釋出WT的坦克消息，我看到實況然後覺得「馬的，這看起來就像是上古卷軸五坦克版啊！」我認為他的畫質真不錯，但在「好美啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊」之後，我注意到他的物理上的瑕疵，像是三突在石頭或是啥鬼東西上卡住。雖然不是很嚴重，但這已足夠影響我心中「這看起來超棒」的想法。 Still, I was full of anticipation. Well, that is, until today. Gaijin recently released the German and Soviet tank tree and my reaction was roughly: “What the fuck is this shit?!” 不過我還是很期待，嘛，那時候我的確是，直到今天，蝸牛把德國與蘇聯坦克線放出來之後，我的感覺：「這它馬的是甚麼鬼東西？」 Seriously… have a look yourselves, here’s the German one: 好吧，你自己來瞧瞧，這是德國的坦克線： I am sure SerB must be laughing his ass off right now. Why? Let's have a look at it. The biggest beef I have with it is that it is filled with some literally identical vehicles. 我能想像SerB大概會笑掉他的大牙，為什麼？讓我們看看。我有的情報上面充滿了一些根本一樣的車。 - What the hell is StuG (skb) (Edit: figured it out, skb = Saukopfblende, making a vehicle based on a different mantlet ftw) 那個StuG (skb)到底是什麼鬼？（差別在於，skb＝Saukopfblende，同一台車會有不同的炮盾，超讚的！） - for game purposes, StuG III Ausf.F, G, G mit Schürzen, StuH 42– pretty much one and the same vehicle (early F’s had 50mm frontal armor). What is the point of grinding four same vehicles? 為了符合遊戲需求，三突F型，G型，G型側裙，42型突擊砲─基本上就是同樣的車輛（早期的F型有50mm正面裝甲），所以分成這麼多台的意義是？ - plus points for not calling Jagdpanzer 38(t) a “Hetzer” 另外，他們為毛不稱呼Jagdpanzer 38(t)叫海瑟？ - Why are Elefant and Ferdinand two different vehicles? There were almost no differences between them, apart from one having a bow machinegun 為什麼象式和裴迪南是不同的車輛？他們兩個幾乎一模一樣，差別大概只有球型機槍座吧？ - Why the hell do Elefand and Ferdinand have different super- structures on icons, they were supposed to be identical 他馬的到底為毛象式和裴迪南有不同上層結構阿？他們應該一樣啊！ - no higher light tanks? No Panzer II Ausf.L? 沒有更高階的輕坦？沒有二號L型？ - why so many Panzer III’s? Panzer III Ausf.M and Ausf.L are almost identical, including armor and gun, Panzer III Ausf.E and F are also almost identical 為什麼有這麼多三號戰車？三號M型和三號L型基本上一個樣，無論是裝甲厚度或是主砲，三號E型和三號F型也是幾乎一樣啊！ - what the hell is the point of Panzer III Ausf.N? It has 70mm frontal armor, but a 75mm L/24 gun? How balanced is that? It was an infantry support version. Completely pointless in a tank game 出三號N型的點在哪？那玩意有70mm的正面裝甲，但是只有75mm L/24炮，要怎麼平衡這東西？它是個步兵支援戰車，在坦克戰裡面一點用都沒有！ - Panzer IV Ausf.E and Ausf.F are practically identical 四號E型和四號F型也是差不多的東西。 - Panzer IV Ausf.F and Ausf.G actually ARE identical, it was the one and the same vehicle, it was redesignated to G after it recieved the L/48 gun. For a short period of time, even the L/48 vehicles were designated F 四號F型和G型就是一樣的東西，他們就是一台一樣的車，F型裝上了75mm L/48砲後重新設計成G型。曾經有一小段時間，F型也有L/48砲 - this tree tries to be as historical as possible to the point of not including prototypes for now, why include Panther F (that was just an upgrade proposal, never existed) and Panther II (just a hull existed)? 目前的科技樹看起來是要盡量貼近歷史，而不馬上加入原型車，那到底為什麼會有豹式F型？（那只是個升級選項，根本沒出現）和豹式二型（史實上只有個車身的玩意兒）? - why split the Tiger II into the Porsche turret and Henschel turret versions? Apart from the nasty shot trap, those vehicles were identical 為什麼把虎王分成保時捷砲塔和亨謝爾砲塔？除了那討厭的炮盾窩彈區以外，他們是一樣的！ - Tiger II with KwK 46 is a purely paper project. There’s no Maus , that really existed, yet a vehicle that was never properly developed (only a concept drawing was found) makes it into the tree? 虎王裝備KwK46砲只是個計劃，然後居然沒有真正存在過的鼠式，而105虎王根本沒有後續（只有發現一張計畫圖），這樣就要放進科技樹？ No. This German tree is full of fail and I really dislike it. The Soviet one has its issues like this too (perhaps even more). 完全不行，這個德國科技樹整個大失敗，我超討厭它。蘇聯線也有自己的問題（恐怕還更慘）。 I think Gaijin really dropped the ball here and for now, World of Tanks comes clearly ahead when it comes to tree composition. Time will show, but I won’t hold my breath, because for all of SerB's trolling and WG fails, their trees are well thought thru (well, okay, the Brits are a mess and the Chinese are Soviet copycats but come on, at least we don’t get identical tanks on regular basis). 我想蝸牛社真得很想在這時間點做點大事，但坦克世界光在科技樹構成上就贏了一大截。時間會證明一切，不過短期內WT還不會對WOT造成威脅，因為雖然SerB持續的Troll玩家和WG的敗象漸露，他們的科技樹還算是深思熟慮（嗯，好吧，英國線還是一團亂，而中國線是蘇聯的山寨版，但是拜託，至少我們不會把同一台坦克的不同次型給分出來）。 - 這篇感覺就是個以WOT視角看WT而產生的文章，SS自己也說他沒玩WT的飛機自然不太知道為啥WOT的一些機制讓玩家這麼不爽XD 雖然這是一篇評論War Thuder的文章，不過既然是跟WOT比較我想應該可以 PO來這吧？原文連結：http://tinyurl.com/mg77fq7 - 最後面他提到的英國線一團亂，我沒感覺啊...... 有沒有人可以指點一下迷津到底哪裡亂OAO??? - --

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