Re: [PS3 ] SCE向Geohotz和fail0verflow提出訴訟

看板Modchip (改機)作者 (Savannah)時間13年前 (2011/02/11 14:28), 編輯推噓15(15019)
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http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/geohot-forced-turn-over-hard-drive-80337/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/02/playstation3-hacker-files/ SCEA先馳得點 geohot必須按照法院命令交出電腦硬碟 PlayStation 3 jailbreaker George Hotz must allow console-maker Sony to comb through his computer's hard drive and retrieve information "that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation," a federal judge ruled Thursday. 聯邦法官要求George Hotz 必須讓$QNY檢查其電腦硬碟,而且必須取 回已經散發出去的 PS3主機破解資訊。 U.S. District Judge Susan Illston's ruled from the bench in Sony's ongoing legal action against the New Jersey hacker, who goes by GeoHot. The lawsuit is in connection to the 21-year-old being the first to fully hack the 4-year-old console, a jailbreak allowing it to play pirated and home-brewed games. Hotz posted the code on his website last month, and put a how-to video on YouTube. That landed him in court here on Digital Millennium Copyright Act civil allegations. Among other things, Sony accuses him of trafficking in devices that circumvent controls meant to protect copyrighted works. 上個月Hotz將破解的程式以及教學影片放上網路,使得他今日面臨DCMA指控,不 僅如此,$QNY還指控運輸破解版權保護機制的設備。 In the Thursday hearing, Hotz' attorney, Stewart Kellar, objected to the judge's bench order, saying Sony would be able to "observe" the contents of all his client's files. 在上週四的聽證會當中,Hotz的律師Stewart Kellar對法官原先的命令表達反對 立場,但允許$QNY「檢視」他客戶的檔案。 "That's the breaks," Illston said. 「這算是一大突破。」Illston 如是說。 Hotz has already removed the YouTube video and the code from his website to comport with the judge's earlier orders. 在此之前,Hotz已經按照法院命令移除在YouTube上的影片以及相關程式碼。 The judge had originally ruled weeks ago that Hotz must surrender all of his computer gear to Sony. But Kellar asked for reconsideration, and a hearing was hastily called Thursday. 法官在上週聽證會前,原本命令Hotz必須交付$QNY所有相關的電腦設備,但 Kellar律師請求法官重新考量,於是法院隨即在週四就立即舉行了聽證會。 Illston informed Kellar that it was routine for the entire contents of computers to be searched in a bid to isolate what is being sought, as in child pornography prosecutions. 法官告訴Hotz的律師,檢查電腦內的檔案屬於固定的程序的一環,孩童色情相關 的檢舉案也一樣。 "Your honor, we're certainly not dealing with child pornography in this issue," Kellar replied. 「庭上,但我們並非在討論孩童色情案……」Hotz的律師如是說。 Moments later, the judge responded: 稍後,法官做出了回應。 "Here, I find probable cause that your client has got these things on his computer," she said. "It's a problem when more than one thing is kept on the computer. I'll make sure the order is and will be that Sony is only entitled to isolate … the information on the computer that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation." 這裡,我認為你的客戶確實有可能將部份爭議資料存在他的電腦裡面,而當所有 的東西都混在一起時,問題只會更複雜化。所以我認為有必要將$QNY所指控,而 且與 PS3主機破解將關的資料獨立出來看。 The DMCA makes it either a civil or criminal offense to traffic in wares meant to circumvent devices protecting copyrighted works. Performing a similar hack on a mobile phone is lawful. 按照DMCA的規定,運送任何破解版權保護的設備都可能遭到民事或是刑事指控, 在手機上進行類似的破解適合法的。 Sony's attorney, James Gilliland, was quick to point out to Illston that the mobile phone is not at issue here. "The conduct Mr. Hotz has engaged in is still covered by the DMCA," he said. 但$QNY的律師James Gilliland 指出,手機破解的情況並不適用於本案,Hotz所 接觸到的部份DMCA仍然涵蓋其中。 The judge also backed off on an order that Hotz "retrieve" the code from anybody who he may have forwarded it to. 法官同時否決了要求Hotz「取回」所有已經散布出去程式碼的要求。 "It's information. It can't be retrieved. It's just not practical," Illston said. "What would they do, Xerox it and mail it back? " 「程式碼算是資訊的一種,一旦放出去就無法取回,而且也不切實際,」法官說 「不然還能怎麼辦,難道叫那些人影印然後寄回來?」 Illston said she changed her mind because she was not clearly aware of the details in her earlier order. 法官說讓她改變想法的主要原因,是因為她先前對於本案的細節並不非常明瞭。 "This kind of got away from me and I apologize for that," she said from the bench. 「對於這種前後反覆的狀況,我必須道歉。」法官說。 The judge ordered Sony and Kellar to confer with each other on the parameters of where and when Hotz would allow Sony to sift through his computer. She also ordered him not to delete or modify any files connected to the jailbreak. 法官命令$QNY與Hotz的律師必須針對接下來要檢查的項目進行協商,同時也禁止 Hotz刪除或修改任何與越獄相關的檔案。 Meanwhile, Sony is threatening to sue anybody posting the code, even though Sony accidentally tweeted it earlier this week. 在此同時,$QNY威脅要控告所有散布程式碼的人,儘管$QNY自己前幾天也不小心 推了相關的東西出來。 Sony's attorney, Gilliland, said the Japanese console maker has been sending out an undisclosed number of DMCA "takedown" notices to websites demanding the code's removal. Gilliland 表示這間日本廠商已經發出了不明數量的DMCA下架通知給各大網站, 要求他們移除相關資訊。 Sony is also asking Judge Illston to order Google to surrender the IP addresses and other identifying information of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on Hotz' private YouTube page. The game maker is also demanding that Twitter provide the identities of a host of hackers who first unveiled a limited version of the hack in December. $QNY同時要求法官下令Google必須提供所有曾經點閱相關影片,或是做出評論人 員相關的IP位址或是其他可供鑑別身份的資訊。此外,也請求法官下令推特必須 要提供在12月份揭露部份破解資訊駭客的身份資料。 A hearing on that is scheduled next month. Sony is seeking unspecified damages. 下次聽證會將於 3月11日舉行,預料$QNY將提出要求損害賠償。 -- 《堅持共識 令官員 禁稱對岸為「中國」》2011-02-08 對岸時報 【鄭閔聲、仇佩芬/台北報導】馬英九總統昨天在新春茶會上宣示,為堅持共識, 並維護我方主權,未來政府機關文書用語一律稱「對岸」或「大陸」,不稱中國,以免 產生「兩個中國」的主權混淆情況。http://ppt.cc/aG-3 為響應政府兩岸政策、顧及 當事人意願、維護我尊嚴及國格,即日起請改稱「中國時報」為「對岸時報」、「中國 國民黨」為「對岸國民黨」。 註:所謂共識,是指馬英「」跟「」六仔的共識,跟其他人無關。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.120.31.133 ※ 編輯: cassine 來自: 140.120.31.133 (02/11 14:34)

02/11 14:50, , 1F
不太清楚那邊的法律,說是這樣說,一般能執行到甚麼程
02/11 14:50, 1F

02/11 14:50, , 2F
度呢?
02/11 14:50, 2F

02/11 15:01, , 3F
法律真好用,不會抓漏直接銬問別人的資料就行了...
02/11 15:01, 3F

02/11 15:25, , 4F
DMCA中譯變成DCMA?
02/11 15:25, 4F
※ 編輯: cassine 來自: 140.120.31.133 (02/11 15:37)

02/11 15:37, , 5F
改過來了改過來了
02/11 15:37, 5F

02/11 15:46, , 6F
索尼:我要使用這張魔法卡 翻開~"光之護封劍" 結束這回合
02/11 15:46, 6F

02/11 15:56, , 7F
使出執政官否決權,小兵們給我進攻....
02/11 15:56, 7F

02/11 16:04, , 8F
為什麼sony對於PS3被破解的反應遠大於PSP呢?
02/11 16:04, 8F

02/11 16:14, , 9F
因為最後一塊淨土被狠狠打了臉(?
02/11 16:14, 9F

02/11 16:14, , 10F
面子問題吧我想
02/11 16:14, 10F

02/11 16:43, , 11F
因為 PS4 還沒這麼快吧 ?
02/11 16:43, 11F

02/11 20:31, , 12F
PSP最早被破解的時候離NGP出來也還很早 (茶
02/11 20:31, 12F

02/11 20:41, , 13F
打算連看過影片或是做過評論的人一起告?大學士有這人力?
02/11 20:41, 13F

02/11 23:40, , 14F
$ONY什麼東西都要 乾脆給一桶瓦斯好了
02/11 23:40, 14F

02/12 01:06, , 15F
這個法官有問題,他不了解的東西就只會要被告證明
02/12 01:06, 15F

02/12 01:07, , 16F
那以後就不用法官了,我懷疑別人偷東西,去告他
02/12 01:07, 16F

02/12 01:08, , 17F
結果法官只會要求被告證明沒偷,根本不用告方去證明
02/12 01:08, 17F

02/12 01:09, , 18F
我看我鄰居玩遙控直升機很羨慕卻告鄰居偷我的直升機
02/12 01:09, 18F

02/12 01:10, , 19F
法官先要求我的鄰居證明直升機是他的,不然就歸還給我
02/12 01:10, 19F

02/12 01:11, , 20F
有這種法官真是萬民的福氣,大家都以這方式合法搶劫
02/12 01:11, 20F

02/12 02:14, , 21F
推a大,在無罪推論的原則下,舉證責任應在控方
02/12 02:14, 21F

02/12 03:04, , 22F
舉例的真好
02/12 03:04, 22F

02/12 08:19, , 23F
第4段keller的意思是這樣會讓sony看到hots電腦裡所有的資
02/12 08:19, 23F

02/12 08:21, , 24F
料,包括跟破解無關的. 而法官在11段的回應是說她會確保
02/12 08:21, 24F

02/12 08:24, , 25F
sony只能過濾並掌握跟破解有關的資料
02/12 08:24, 25F

02/12 08:26, , 26F
that's the breaks比較像是遺憾,或者是有爭議需要釐清的
02/12 08:26, 26F

02/12 08:27, , 27F
意思. 以上有錯誤或冒犯到的請見諒
02/12 08:27, 27F

02/12 09:36, , 28F
法官他自己都不清楚GH怎麼破解的,那他要用什麼保證
02/12 09:36, 28F

02/12 09:37, , 29F
Sony只能掌握"破解相關"的資料
02/12 09:37, 29F

02/12 09:40, , 30F
這只會讓這場鬧劇歹戲拖棚,以GH的高調行為,他一定早就知
02/12 09:40, 30F

02/12 09:41, , 31F
會走到這一步,只是sony一定會想盡辦法從旁去衍伸
02/12 09:41, 31F

02/12 10:09, , 32F
謝謝e兄指正
02/12 10:09, 32F

02/14 06:11, , 33F
我連PS3都沒有只是上youtube看熱鬧也要被索尼人肉查IP XD
02/14 06:11, 33F

02/14 06:12, , 34F
索尼真的罪惡掏天啊:P
02/14 06:12, 34F
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