Re: General Jungle Guide by TheOddOne
http://www.solomid.net/blog.php?v=10753
Interview with TSM's Jungler, TheOddOne
So, many people are asking...why don't you stream?
Q:
為什麼你不開直播？
One day I probably should but currently I play LoL on a laptop and it's FPS
gets destroyed by intensive stuff like that and my upload here in western
canada are fairly garbage since the internet plans suck and I'm on a shared
connection with 2-3 computers.
A:
或許有一天我會，但是目前我是用筆電在玩，禁不起直播的需求
西加拿大的網路太垃圾，而且我是和兩三台電腦共享頻寬的
That said, I don't get the interest you guys have in me streaming, I figure
it'd be like Dyrus playing but less funny, more jungling and tons of swearing
each time I screw up (often comboed with a table slam) as I take my mistakes
the hardest.
同時，我直播起來也不好玩，我就像Dyrus那樣玩但是比較不funny
我犯錯的時候也會嘴砲和敲桌子
Who do you think are the most viable and strongest junglers in competitive
play?
Q:
你覺得在比賽時最好用最強的jungler是誰?
Top three: Fiddlesticks, Gangplank,Udyr
Others I'll use if the above three banned: Nocturne,Amumu,Nunu, Jarvan IV,Lee
Sin
If for some reason they focus bans on everyone's junglers: Trundle,Olaf
A:
三天王: 稻草人 海盜 Udyr
如果上面被ban: Noc, Amumu, Nunu, J4, LeeSin
如果其他人都被ban: Trundle(註:不是說我很強?QQ), Olaf(註:上次不是說目前廢物?)
What are the strengths of each of these junglers? In what circumstances does
each jungler shine?
Q:
你覺得這些jungler強在哪裡?在哪些情況強?
The top three are there for their sheer amount of utility and damage. Fiddle
has a ton of damage and CC while still be relevant even if his farm is down
as all he really needs is levels. Gangplank is on the same boat, he can
literally just be a stat+ bot and spam his E in fights while casting ultimate
while tanking and be more useful than most junglers and thats not factoring
in his Q and passive slow. Udyr is a machine tankwise and damage wise while
having fantastic ganking power.
A:
三天王是因為他們在通用和傷害的絕對強勢
稻草有一卡車傷害和控場，即使他沒農到也超強，他就只需要等級而已
海盜也差不多，他完全可以就當個輔助機，開戰時按E和R，還比其他jungler坦，很有用
我還沒提到他的Q和被動緩呢
Udyr可坦可輸出，還有夢幻的gank power
I fully expect Nocturne to be in every single game at germany IEM as he's
likely not ban worthy but is simply a terrific all rounder and his diving
ability is extremely useful in the current game as if say the enemy takes
amumu and goes in, that'll leave the enemy AD open for a dive while the rest
of his team attempts to make use of the ultimate amumu has done. That and
Nocturne is extremely strong at all stages of the game, even super late as
like most melee carries, it's hard to 1v1 him at all without being super fed.
And to avoid a wall of text, I'm not explaining anything else :P
我預期在德國IEM每場都看到Noc，因為他不值得ban但是就是很可怕而且萬能
在目前情況下他的塔殺能力非常有用
因為如果說對方Amumu進場R，對方的AD就會曝露出來，因為他們會想趁AmumuR的時候總攻
Noc在每段遊戲時期都非常強，即使在超後期也是，就算他沒有超級肥也很難跟他1v1
然後為了不太佔版面，其他人以下略
What do you think defines a good jungler? ie. What separates an amazing
jungler from a decent one?
Q:
你怎麼定義一個好的jungler? 舉例來說，一個驚人的jungler跟一個不錯jungler的差別?
Awareness and adaptability, I've had games where I was 0-3 yet I was still a
level ahead of the opposing jungler as he didn't know how to adapt after his
team pulled a level 1 gank off so his jungling speed was completely horrible.
Also being in the right area ahead of time is part of awareness, being stuck
bottom when a good gank could've happened at that time top is often what
happens to decent junglers. Whenever I'm walking from fountain, I either
check the lanes and how the waves are going and if I see no ganks, I'll tell
the lane I'm intending to gank to let the lane push back so I can perform
one. Combining all this (and as stated in my jungle guide) by balancing
ganking with farming to maximize hurting the enemy while helping yourself as
not balancing these 2 aspects will not be more helpful.
A:
地圖意識還有適應性，我有經驗被0-3了但是我還是比對方jungler高一級
因為他不知道在被lv1 gank後要如何適應，所以速度完全慢下來
而至於地圖意識，則是要事先就到應該到的地方
舉例來說一個不錯jungler可能就常碰到的情況:
當上路很有機會gank到的時候你被卡在下路而且沒法成功地gank下路
當我離開水池的時候會檢查每路的情況，看兵推和gank機會
如果發現目前沒有，也會先告訴哪一路我想過去，叫他們先讓兵推來製造gank機會
把gank和農完美結合，最大化傷害敵人+肥自己，在這兩方面做到最好地平衡
Why don't you play amumu often in competitive play?
Q:
你怎麼不常在比賽玩Amumu?
His weakness early game is a huge decision why I hate him, as I don't get how
people EVER get caught by him as when I stuck on a carry in solo queue, that
shit never reaches me whether it's early game laning or late game teamfights,
you'd have to be completely oblivious to get caught in it with your tanks
(like why are you beside your front lines again?) as it's extremely easy to
just bait an amumu and dodge his futile attempts to engage. The only way to
really reliable get caught by him is if your flash is down and he uses his
own flash as getting hit with his Q is like getting hit with morgana's bind,
it's only unavoidable if the terrain is limited or you're cced. On the topic
of his early game weakness, he relies completely on his team to do everything
for you and often I don't think they understand that Amumu won't be beating a
nunu or nocturne in ganks.
A:
我討厭他，因為他在早期很弱
我在solo queue玩carry的時期就從來不瞭為啥會有人被他抓，不管早中晚期撐線團戰
要躲它的Q實在太簡單，團戰只要你縮在tank後面也可以很簡單地不會被Q
唯一機會就只有當你沒flash的時候，就跟魔乾娜的Q一樣
以及在無法閃躲的狹窄地形，或是當你被控場的時候
除了最重要的，他前期很弱以外，他也完全必須依賴隊友做到所有的事情
而且我不認為隊友們可以理解，Amumu在gank比nunu或noc差多了
What many jungle players don't know is how to react when you've been counter
jungled and how to respond to that situation before you get too far behind.
Could you give us some thoughts on that subject?
Q:
大部分人都不知道被人家偷江的時候該怎麼處理，而不至於落後太多
你可以給大家一些建議嗎?
Try to secure your small camps as soon as possible, while it's bad to have
lost your small camps, often the worst thing to do is attempt to do the enemy
camps AFTER you've seen yours are gone as likely the stronger enemy jungler
will be at his camps finally and likely kill you. Often you'll have to just
do stuff like killing small lizards and such while waiting for the camps to
respawn (though dont try to actually fight the big lizard) but it is vital
that you're around your small camps when they do spawn or else the enemy
jungler might take them. Often when you get counter jungled, you'll have time
to kill small lizards then run back to wolves and hopefull be back for wraith
and double golem camps.
A:
試著盡快保全你的小野怪點，因為失去它們是很糟糕的
不要在看到自己被偷了以後才想去反偷別人的
因為如果敵人jungler比較強，他很可能就在那裏，而且順便把你一塊清了
通常你要做的就像是殺小蜥蜴，然後等小點重生(不要試著去打大蜥蜴)
重要的是當小點重生的時候你必須在附近，不然又會被別人偷掉
通常當你被偷江，你還是有時間可以打小蜥蜴然後去打狼，然後希望回來有四鬼然後雙石
Who do you think is the best player that fills the jungle role?
Q:
你認為最適合jungler的玩家是?
Personally I think this question is a little biased but I think either me or
Wetdream. While Fnatic and AAA(Millenium) did place higher, most of the
jungling at dreamhack was standard and never really could outshine the
carries throughout the tournament so I have no idea if that is really how
they play. And I'm not sure how people kept getting caught by Jarvan ganks,
especially at level 2 considering wtf else is Jarvan gonna do at level 2, of
course you're getting ganked early!
A:
個人認為這問題有些偏了，但是我認為是我或是夢遺
雖然Fnatic和AAA(Millenium)比較高層
在dreamhack大部分的比賽中，jungler都很標準而無法真的表現地比carry好
我也就無法了解他們是不是真的就只能玩成那樣
而且我不瞭為啥有人會被J4 gank到，特別是J4在lv2根本沒有wtf其他事去做
當然你就會被他槓了
Someone on the forums asked "Have you ever wondered why you sound so
different in your guides than in live streams/videos like the interview at
dreamhack?" Also, can you input your thoughts on how fans view famous League
of Legends players?
Q:
有些人在論壇問：
你在你的攻略的聲音怎麼跟你在dreamhack訪談時以及直播時做的不一樣?
然後你覺得粉絲是怎麼看有名的LoL玩家?
Maybe I'm just lazy or something and don't speak as loud while I'm at home or
my computer keeps messing my mic up as I've tried at least a couple and I
still sound deep. As for the other question, I'm not sure, I think it's
fairly awesome if they want to be fans of whoever and flame the enemy as
nothing is more fun in LoL downtime then fanboys creating drama.
A:
或許我只是懶，或是不想說太大聲，或是我在家電腦問題，麥克風之類的
反正我的聲音聽起來就是比較低
至於其他問題，我不確定，我想那是蠻awsome的，如果他們想成為誰的粉絲
然後把敵人燒了，反正也沒有什麼事比在維修的時候製造抓馬更好玩了
While somewhat related to the question, if you manage to beat a few strong
teams in a go4lol and start dick sucking the next round since you're facing a
team you're a fan of, grow a little pride and start playing to beat them. If
you've managed to beat other strong teams and manage to face say CLG in a
semis or finals, it's likely that you deserve to be there and you've earned
your way to that spot so there should be no reason you or your team shouldn't
be trying the hardest to win. This is been my philosophy in every competitive
game I've played, I don't give a shit if I'm facing some famous player or my
idol, if I've been given the chance to play them, you're damn right I'm gonna
be trying to beat them.
(註：這邊有點亂，就濃縮了)
我的哲學就是比賽時全力以赴，所以如果我有機會比到有名的玩家甚至我的偶像
我就會盡全力試著打敗他們
Who are your favorite and least favorite high elo players to have on your
solo-queue team?
Q:
你在solo-queue隊伍中最喜歡和最不喜歡的高elo玩家是?
Favorite would be bigfatlp on any strong champion and Hotshotgg on his main
account as I know not only are those two trying their best to win, it's
actually possible for them to be a huge factor.
A:
最喜歡的是選了任何強英雄的大肥lp，還有本尊的熱射gg
因為我知道他們都會全力以赴，而且也確實很有可能他們是巨大的(致勝?)因素
As for who I hate: Therainman and king of kimchi. I don't get how these guys
have enough brain function to even breathe let alone play solo queue, if
there's something as basic as calling your goddamn lane when he enters our
own jungle, they'll miss it. A fight going on about a screen away between
your jungler and the enemy laner of the LANE THEY'RE FACING, they'll miss it
while continuing to farm while being amazed that the enemy laner managed to
kill both golem and lizard in the 20 seconds he walked to the right of the
lane.
而我最恨的是Therainman和king of kimchi
我不瞭為啥他們有足夠的腦功能能玩上來
就像goddamn基本的我通知他們說有人跑來我們jungle了，他們也會沒聽到
即使那個侵入者剛好是他們的對線者，即使只在一螢幕外發生戰鬥
即使侵入者花了20秒殺光石頭和蜥蜴然後回到線上，他們還是會繼續自己農
What are your opinions on Dominion?
Q:
你對Dominion的看法?
I'm not sure yet, it truly depends on if the game mode is fun and if it'll
actually get true support and not the ghetto support Twisted Treeline
received. I haven't actually tried it yet but I assume it's similar to
domination (or onslaught even) of Unreal Tournament but nobody played it as a
few of the levels were completely no fun in single player as it involved you
walking from the ends of the map to control a couple positions except your
3-4 allied AI teamates had trouble not staring at walls so they kept losing
the one you had just taken so nobody actually wanted to play it online.
A:
我不確定，這要看遊戲模式多好玩，有沒有真的得到支援而不是像3v3地圖那樣沒人鳥
我還沒真的試過，但是我認為他會像是Unreal Tournament的domination或onslaught
但是沒人玩過因為有幾關在單人根本完全不好玩
因為他要你走到地圖尾巴控制一堆點，然後3~4個AI隊友只會看牆壁，所以就一直輸
所以也就沒人真的想到線上玩
That said, I hope it gets true support and actually becomes a serious thing
rather than a side mode like ARAM as it'd be a great change of pace and could
really changeup the genre.
總之我希望它有真的被支援而且確實成為一個正式的玩意兒不是像ARAM模式
因為它會真的是個步調和時代的改變
In what ways do you think your jungling can improve?
Q:
你覺得你的jungling還有什麼地方可以改進?
I think I should probably play more aggressive early game as it's highly
unlikely I'll get the farm mid-late game to be a bigger threat than carries
as in competitive play, the jungler is stuck with the scraps while the 3
carries hog the real farm.
A:
我認為我應該在早期玩得更加有侵略性
因為在比賽我多半很難在中晚期農的比carry好然後更大的威脅
當有3 carry農的正爽的時候，jungler只能去撿破爛
What advice do you have for upcoming teams who want to enter the competitive
league of legends scene?
Q:
你對於想要邁入比賽的團隊有什麼建議?
Play in as many tournaments as you can. I cannot stress this enough, I didn't
somehow luck out into getting a chance to play for TSM (or haters
previously), what I had over every other solo queue pubstar was the mass
amount of tournament experience. Think of tournament games as a resume, while
solo queue rating is nice to have, constantly performing in tournaments will
help you (skillwise) get far better in solo queue and maybe even have your
team place well enough for prizes. I'm sure theres plenty of tournaments in
the competitive forum to enter but right now I'd say entering each weekly
Go4LoL is a must, I didn't have this chance in dota since the america
tournament scene didn't really have a sponsored organisation hosting weekly
tournaments so you had to enter the long CAL and HTGN tournaments which
weren't often and took a while to complete. Go4LoLs are a chance to meet even
the tier 1 teams as you could luck out to play them in the early rounds, but
ever since Riot contracted ESL to perform weekly tournaments for NA, I'm
confident to say that the general team skill level has improved immensely to
nearly catching up on the months of lead that europe had.
A:
盡可能多參加比賽，我無法再更加強調這點
當我發現其他solo queue玩家都有大量比賽經驗時，我對無法參與TSM感到遺憾
你可以把比賽當作履歷，雖然solo高分不錯，但是一直比賽會對你更有力
不僅會在solo game玩更好，也更有可能為你的隊伍拿到獎勵
我相信目前在比賽論壇有很多機會，然後參加每週的Go4LoL是必須的
我在dota時沒這個機會，因為那時沒有每週的贊助商，所以你必須打不常舉辦的長期賽
打Go4LoLs你甚至可以碰上T1的隊伍，運氣不好還有可能在早期就碰到
但是在Riot簽了ESL為NA舉辦每週比賽後，我確定很多隊伍都有對抗EU月賽的實力
How would you describe each of your teammates?
Q:
你如何形容隊友?
A:
Regi: Mob boss 黑道老大
Chaox: Drug runner 運"貨"的
Xpecial: Thug 暴徒
TheRainMan: The type of guy we'd be extorting 會勒索人的
Do you plan on playing some games with your fans in the future?
Q:
你有計畫在未來跟粉絲玩幾場嗎?
Me personally, I don't think so. I've tried to play with my old dota friends
but the matchmaker in this game kills any fun we'd have trying out 5
swordsman and what not and we get CRUSHED. Honestly the matchmaker has ruined
any chance for me to coach lesser skilled players or play with fans as unless
they're actually able to get to say 1000 rating in ranked (as in maintain
it), they'll probably be decimated. And I'm not sure of the actual numbers
but I'm sure that is basically only the top 15% of LoL players, you'd be
absolutely surprised at how bad people can be in this game.
A:
目前沒有計畫，我試著和以前dota朋友玩，但是配對系統把樂趣全殺了
我們想當五劍客，但是根本當不成還被輾過
目前的配對系統不容許我當菜鳥教練，或是跟粉絲玩
除非他們確實可以自己打到並且維持1000分rank，不然他們就會被打爆
據我所知那應該差不多是只有15%的玩家，你會驚訝於在這遊戲他可以表現地多差
Will you be updating your jungle guides soon according to more recent patch
updates?
Q:
未來改版時你也會改版你的攻略嗎?
Honestly, if there is enough interest I could update em as well as post new
videos for em but I figure posting guides for champions I haven't done yet
will get more views so I might just be doing that in the near future
(Udyr/Fiddle/GP).
A:
如果有引發興趣那麼我會用像是拍新片的方式更新
但是我發現貼未完成的英雄攻略會有更多人氣，所以我最近將會這麼做(三天王)
What do you like to eat in a prolonged gaming session?
Q:
你在長期比賽喜歡吃啥?
Those cheap noodle bowls that you fill with boiling water and apples and
Bananas. I like oranges more but those are such a bitch to eat when you're
busy.
A:
便宜的泡麵，蘋果和香蕉
我比較喜歡橘子但是當你在忙的時候他們實在bitch的難吃
What else do you play outside of League of Legends?
Q:
你玩LoL以外還玩啥?
Before PC gaming completely took over, I used to play a ton of genesis (Road
Rash/Toejam and Earl/Skitchin/Mutant League Hockey being my favorites), I
played a ton of Starcraft after that, a ton of warcraft 3 and Phantasy Star
Online (GC) until LoL. Now I mostly just play LoL and stuff I buy on Steam
like ME1,ME2,GTA4,Borderlands,Terraria,Recetear,L4D2 and Plants vs Zombies.
A:
(註:自己看)
Questions from Teammates!:
隊友問題時間!
Reginald: Why are you so good at imitating a raptor?
為什麼你可以扮raptor這麼像?
Fuck you.
Chaox: Why do you rage so much in solo queue? Is Udyr referring to you when
he says "Our rage is beyond your control"?
你在solo queue為什麼這麼rage?
是不是因為你玩Udyr然後Our rage is beyond your control?
It's just who I am I guess, I don't play as much solo queue as some people
(aka over 1000 solo queue ranked) so trolling me is worth more than trolling
someone who has 2k solo queue ranked games as I have less time than that
person to be screwing around with trolls. Oh and Fuck you.
我只是做我自己，我不像一些人玩這麼多solo queue(像是超過1000分的)
所以troll我會比troll 2K人還值，因為我跟troll相處的時間比較少
歐然後Fuck you
TheRainMan: Are you related to Free Willie?
你跟威鯨闖天關有關係嗎?
Fuck you.
Xpecial: Why "the odd one", are you really that odd?
為什麼是The Odd One? 因為你真的很Odd嗎?
Personally I think so whether it's due to my behaviour or mannerism I'm sure
there's some psychological... Ah screw it, Fuck You.
我個人認為如此，所以不管那是因為我的行為或是怪癖
我確定有些心理學的玩意...h screw it, Fuck You.
Would You Rather:
(Rules were only 5 seconds to choose answer & thanks to PGB for the idea)
五秒內二選一
Shurelia or Rinoa: err Rinoa
have a big butt or a big head: big head because I already have one
nice ugly girl or mean pretty girl: -long pause- hurry up nice ugly girl
nintendo 64 or playstation 1: nintendo 64
officer jenny or nurse joy: jenny..joy's a bitch anyway
make out with a fat guy ..oh god I don't even want to know the other one.. or
lick his armpit: What the f#ck..neither. You have to answer Li..lick the
guy's armpit? Okay I guess that would be better than the other one
call Regi daddy or nibble on his ears: call Regi daddy, I do it anyway
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THE END (thanks for sticking around and come back next week for a new
interview!)
Also be sure to watch TheOddOne's general jungle guide here
and
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08/12 11:40, 14F
→
08/12 11:42, , 15F
08/12 11:42, 15F
→
08/12 11:42, , 16F
08/12 11:42, 16F
推
08/12 11:42, , 17F
08/12 11:42, 17F
推
08/12 11:42, , 18F
08/12 11:42, 18F
→
08/12 11:42, , 19F
08/12 11:42, 19F
→
08/12 11:42, , 20F
08/12 11:42, 20F
→
08/12 11:43, , 21F
08/12 11:43, 21F
→
08/12 11:45, , 22F
08/12 11:45, 22F
→
08/12 11:51, , 23F
08/12 11:51, 23F
→
08/12 11:52, , 24F
08/12 11:52, 24F
→
08/12 11:52, , 25F
08/12 11:52, 25F
→
08/12 11:53, , 26F
08/12 11:53, 26F
→
08/12 11:54, , 27F
08/12 11:54, 27F
推
08/12 11:56, , 28F
08/12 11:56, 28F
推
08/12 11:59, , 29F
08/12 11:59, 29F
→
08/12 12:00, , 30F
08/12 12:00, 30F
→
08/12 12:02, , 31F
08/12 12:02, 31F
→
08/12 12:03, , 32F
08/12 12:03, 32F
推
08/12 12:17, , 33F
08/12 12:17, 33F
推
08/12 12:18, , 34F
08/12 12:18, 34F
推
08/12 12:19, , 35F
08/12 12:19, 35F
推
08/12 12:26, , 36F
08/12 12:26, 36F
推
08/12 12:37, , 37F
08/12 12:37, 37F
推
08/12 12:47, , 38F
08/12 12:47, 38F
→
08/12 12:55, , 39F
08/12 12:55, 39F
推
08/12 12:57, , 40F
08/12 12:57, 40F
推
08/12 12:58, , 41F
08/12 12:58, 41F
→
08/12 12:59, , 42F
08/12 12:59, 42F
推
08/12 13:17, , 43F
08/12 13:17, 43F
推
08/12 13:22, , 44F
08/12 13:22, 44F
推
08/12 14:38, , 45F
08/12 14:38, 45F
推
08/12 15:17, , 46F
08/12 15:17, 46F
推
08/12 15:30, , 47F
08/12 15:30, 47F
推
08/12 17:10, , 48F
08/12 17:10, 48F
推
08/12 19:19, , 49F
08/12 19:19, 49F
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