靠中邊鋒 vs 靠邊中場

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這是個有意思的話題 !! 評級細節分析，上帝的左手已經分析的很精準且詳細了，找不到的版友請參 : #1Ic2Q1rR http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Hattrick/M.1385703041.A.D5B.html 鯰川的意見也很寶貴，請參 : #1Ic8FdcO http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Hattrick/M.1385726951.A.998.html 我這邊來談談我個人的看法，以及TNP提供的意見個人的看法 : 訓練的過程，以及技能的分配姑且不論，以位置本身的出發點，這兩個位置的目的不同靠邊中場 : 犧牲一些中場換邊路進攻靠中邊鋒 : 犧牲一條邊路的進攻換些中場由於HT比賽戰略之分析以及戰略佈置，90%以上是以中場評級以及優略作為出發點，因此這兩個位置的使用，其實出發點是看你的比賽的中場評級是否足夠而決定 !! 以下是TNP大老Cat的意見 : We usually train IMtW, WtM are more a position we use, but not a player type. 我們比較長訓練靠邊中場，而靠中邊鋒是個我們常使用的選擇，不過靠中邊鋒並不是一種球員的類型 IMtW are IMs with high W skill, so they can be played towards the wing and will improve attack ratings more than they lower their midfield contribution. 靠邊中場是有不錯邊鋒技能的中場球員，所以這樣的球員可以踢靠邊中場，可以提升的進攻評級將會大於中場評級的損失。 While regular IMs have PS or DF or both high enough to boost attack or defence, the IMtW has W high enough. High enough means, we should aim at W13 at least, W15 would be ideal. More than W15 would be too much, because of the skill drops, and because it takes away training time from PM. 如同常規中場需要足夠的傳球或是防守，增加進攻或是防守評級，靠邊中場需要足夠的邊鋒技能。足夠高的邊鋒至少需要獨步天下(13級)以上的邊鋒技能，而威力無邊(15)級別的邊鋒技能會是比較理想的技能配置。因為現在遊戲引擎的設計，高於威力無邊(15)級別的技能，技能會掉的比較高，同時也是因為練訓邊鋒技能，意謂著奪取了訓練組織進攻技能的時間 Of course the IMtW can or should have some PS or even DF, too, but not too much, as it takes away training time from the more important skills (PM and W). 自然的，靠邊中場的球員也需要一些傳球和防守技能，不過不需要太多，因為靠邊中場的組織和邊鋒技能是最重要的部分 An ideal example for an IMtW is Wang Shifan, who had PM18 W15 PS9 at the time he joined the NT. PS is high enough to help, but not that high that the training took too long, W is as high as possible without risking skill drops, and all the rest goes into PM. His PM should be as high as any other IMs skill level. 理想的靠邊中場的例子是Wang Shifan (有機會我找出來他的訓練過程)，當他被徵召進入NT時，他的技能是組織18級、邊鋒15級、傳球9級。這樣的傳球已經夠高了，不過還沒有高到需要花太多的訓練週數，邊鋒技能在不冒著很高掉技能的風險下，盡可能的練高(練到15級)，其他所有時間都拿來練組織進攻技能，組織進攻技能最好跟其他的中場一樣高 The WtM on the other hand is a position that is only used for one reason: To get a little bit more MF through giving up one attacking wing. We use that position in U20 rather often, but in NT, the difference in MF between a regular winger (PM15) and a WtM (PM18) isn't too huge, so it rarely pays of to sacrifice one attacking wing for that little bit extra MF. 另一方面，我們只有一個理由去使用靠中邊鋒 : 當你需要透過小縫犧牲邊路進攻換取中場評級的時候。我們更常在U20的比賽中使用，在NT階段，一個常規邊鋒(組織15)和一個靠中邊鋒(組織18)對中場評級的貢獻相差不會很多，因此很少去犧牲一條邊路進攻去換取這麼一點點多的中場評級 !! But for that reason, we don't need to train someone as WtM, because when we play a WtM, all we need is his PM as high as possible (and a good offensive spec, ideally). 所以因為這樣，我們不需要真的專心去訓練一個靠中邊鋒，當我們擺上靠中邊鋒時，我們看上的只是他的組織進攻技能，越高越好，同時有個好的進攻特技更好 So usually we just use any good speced IM available to field as WtM. 所以通常我們擺上任何可以利用的中場，去踢靠中邊鋒，如果必要的話 We don't have anyone especially for the WtM position, because of the limited number of players we can call into the team. But if someone decided to call up an IM especially for the WtM position, I would take a balanced IM (meaning, a little DF and PS, but both not too much, and all the rest put into PM). 原則上，我們並不會安排特定的玩家訓練靠中邊鋒，因為這是很不經濟的投資，同時因為國家隊的上場名額有限，不太可能徵召這樣的球員入隊，不過如果未來的國教想要徵召靠中邊鋒，會建議選擇徵召平衡型的中場球員 (有些防守和傳球、同時有更多的時間訓練組織) A nice example would be Dai Yuanfeng, who is quick and already reached PM18 at age 23. It seems his owner only trains him in PM without any side skills, which is rather bad for the player, but for this one position, his spec and very high PM would be useful. But that's purely theoretical, because usually we won't call up any special player as WtM, but just use the best available balanced IM. Dai Yuanfeng是個很好的例子，他是速度特技同時23歲時已經到達組織18級，他的俱樂部只訓練他的主技能，完全不訓練任何輔助技能，這在現今的引擎並不吃香，不過這也是很好轉練靠中邊鋒的好選擇，有足夠高的組織技能以及適合的特技。不過這只是理論上的紙上談兵，因為我們不太可能徵召特別類型的靠中邊鋒入國家隊，更長的選擇，是徵召平衡型的中場是比較好的選擇 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.42.94.162 ※ 編輯: bolam 來自: 1.34.189.91 (12/02 10:15)