[外絮] Dyrus S2賽後 AMA
來源：http://ppt.cc/9-K9
簡單翻一下
But before we go into this let me throw it out there that I was fully aware
of what I was doing, every mistake, every pick, every action and I've learned
a lot from it. It's not everyday you get to play a championship tier team and
learn a lot from it. Much different then playing the usual NA teams or
sometimes EURO teams (even though we lose to euro teams a lot still)
在AMA開始前我必須聲明知道我完全意識到我在幹麻，包括每個錯誤，每個pick，每個動作
而我從這些東西學到很多。畢竟你不是每天都有機會跟冠軍級的隊伍對戰並從中學習
只能說(AZF)跟大多數NA和部分的eu隊伍差很多(雖然我們還是常輸給eu隊)
I will make no excuses of why we lost but I am here to provide my point of
view and to answer why did you do this dyrus? why did tsm do that? I at least
owe this much to the fans who have supported us all year long, or
bystanders/non-supporters alike.
我不會為輸掉了比賽找理由，但我將提出一些我的看法並回答你們
我到底在幹麻？
TSM為什麼要這樣打？
畢竟我欠長年支持我們的粉絲很多的交代
FAQ
1.How did you think you did? I lost my lane both games and built the wrong
items the 2nd game. I made multiple mistakes such as missing flash over big
wall top even though I knew I was getting ganked and lux was missing. IF I hit
this flash it would of been a good play of baiting 3 people top to waste stuff
on me, if it failed it was going to be a really really sad game, to get carried
by my teammates. (etc. there's at least 20 mistakes I can name for myself but
this is one of them that played a big part)
1.你覺得你打的怎樣？
我兩場比賽都輸掉對線而且第二場還買錯裝，我犯了很多錯誤，像是在明知道會被gank
而且lux已經消失了的情況下還閃現失敗。 如果我閃現成功的話，就可以引誘 3個人
到top並讓他們空手而歸，這樣反而會變成美技。因為失敗了所以比賽變的很讓人哀傷
導致我需要靠隊友carry我 (其實我大概至少有20個失誤但這是最嚴重的。
TL:DR I could of done way better, and in the end Shy was the better player,
I congratulate him and am proud to now be a fan of him.
給懶的看完的人：
我可以打的更好，而且Shy是比我更強的玩家，我恭喜他並以成為他的粉絲為榮
2.What was your thought process during picks and bans? We played with the idea
to play karthus or kat every game. We based our comp around it and it was
very strong the 2nd game.
2.你們選角時在幹麻？
我們每場比賽都想以死歌或凱特林娜為核心。
我們以他為中心組成隊伍而在第二場可以看出這組合相當強
A lot of you are probably think, Dyrus why counter pick yourself into Jayce?
The truth is Darius is not countered by Jayce, same for irelia. It heavily
depends on the jungle ganks/pressure and my ability to pull or his ability to
kite and judge/skillshot/ use abilities. I should of went movement speed or
health regen instead of flat 15 AD.
I also would of been perfectly fine if I flashed that big wall but I choked and
flashed on nothing and died to lux.
I also didn't tell oddone to not use exhaust, if he kept the exhaust after
jayce used flash we could of killed him with kill pressure but since he used
exhaust he got chunked for no reason, and it really upsetted me because I knew
it was going to be a long game.
你們很多人會想說，為啥Dyrus要選一個被好男人 counter的角色!
事實是，達瑞斯不是真的被傑西counter， 就像Irelia一樣。
真正的對線情況要看JG表現(gank/給予壓力)，還有我(達瑞斯)的拉跟對方(傑西)風箏技術
我真應該要用跑速跟回血符文而不該用AD符文的。
如果我flash沒失敗的話就很完美，但我失敗了而且還被lux殺了。
我也沒跟阿萬將軍說不要用掉虛弱，如果他留著虛弱，等傑西用掉flash後
我們就可以殺了他，但因為虛弱被用掉了所以阿萬就失去了壓制力
這讓我非常的難過，因為我知道比賽將會變的非常漫長
TL:DR I had a plan, it failed, Darius will lose to jayce 1v1 60% or more of the
time, but darius plays a great part in the 2v2 and will win 2v2 over jayce 90%
of the time if even. Since I was so far behind I decided to be ull tank and go
sunfire-> GA the most effective items I could buy for the moment to be useful
other then my E/ult.
給懶的看的人：
我有個計畫但失敗了。達瑞斯1v1的情況下有60%的機率會輸傑西但如果是2V2的話達瑞斯很
威而且有九成的機率會贏傑西。但自從我落後的情況下我決定要成為坦克，所以買了火斗
跟復活甲 (這是我那時可以買的最有效益的裝) 使我在 E跟大決以外還有點用
3.Our seriousness level.
Some people are probably thinking (m5+ a lot of others) NA teams come to put on
a show and not to win. This is not entirely false, the big flag thing, shirts,
wristbands was just extra. it showed up at the last minute and we thought it
would be cool.
※感謝版友指正
有些人大概認為我們NA隊伍只是想來參加Show而不是想贏的。這樣的說法其實有部分說對了
旗子啦、衣服啦、手環啦這些東西其實是多餘的。我們在最後一刻決定帶著他們出場，
因為我們覺得這樣會很酷
When it came to planning we watched all of azubu frost's games
that we could watch for around 3-4 hours and we knew what they did every game.
當我們在賽前規劃時，我們看了所有的AZF的比賽，大概花了我們3-4小時
所以我們知道他們每場比賽都會作的事情。
One of the things was madlife wards for top always.
其中一個就是 madlife 會幫上路插眼
Our plan to kill him by sitting in the top brush was ruined the first game by
the pause and then after pausing we briefly looked over to the other team to
see if they looked at the minimap.
我們的計畫是蹲在上路草叢裡等他來殺，但在第一場時因為遊戲暫停而毀滅了
在暫停後我們偷喵了一下對手並想知道他們有沒有注意到小地圖
They did so our plan was ruined, after much debate we tried it again but we got
checked by jayce which would of happened either way but it was just a bummer
that was instant first blood if we didnt get hit by jayce orb.
他們看了，所以我們的計畫掰了，經過討論我們決定在蹲一次草叢，但傑西用光球撿查了
草叢，如果當時我們沒有被發現的話，將會馬上拿到FB。
We didn't come out to put a show, we came out to win, I don't care what anyone
says on these forums or their own personal blogs, we gave it our all during the
last months. I can't say that for before since we played other games, didn't
scrim 24/7.
我們不是來參加show的，我們是來贏的，我不在乎其他人在論壇或自己的blog怎麼說，我
們上個月全心全意在為S2 Finals練習。但在更之前的時候我們有有玩其他遊戲，並沒有
24小時都在scrim。
We have never put so much time into planning, we knew frost almost inside out,
but in the end if I were to judge each player this is my conclusion.
我們從沒花過那麼多時間在計畫戰術，我們都知道AZF非常傑出
但在最後如果要我評論其他選手
以下的是我的結論
Top Lane: Game 1 and 2 : Shy beat me overall basically in every category. I
wish I had more chances to play against players like him since I can just get
away with things against other players.
上路
Shy不管在那方面都打爆我了，我希望我有更多的機會可以跟像他一樣的選手對決
這樣我才能從中學習他們的技術
Mid Lane: Game 1 and 2: Reginald was more useful overall as a middle player.
This is a given because he's Karthus and did his job very well. He made very
few mistakes and I'm saying 1 or 2. Like buying two needless rods (from what I
remember) by no means losing this series was his fault if anything it was
the least.
中路
Regi整體來說還是玩中路比較強，我會這樣說是因為他的死歌把工作做的很好，他失誤
很少，要我來說的話大概只有一兩個。像是買了兩個沒用的1600大棒棒
但至少輸掉比賽絕不是他的錯
Bot Lane: Game 1: Chaox and Xpecial They zoned bot with ezreal sona the entire
game and were way ahead. Game 2: Was more of a team game other then these two.
For everything else I can't say much cause I didn't pay much more attention
other then to the usual mistakes like chaox getting caught out bot, or me
messing up wards top and facechecking a brush I already knew the enemy jungler
was in.
下路
第一場：Chaox跟Xpecial 整場遊戲用ez+sona zone out對面並保持領先
第二場：與其說是下路對決，倒比較像是團戰，我沒什麼好說的因為我並沒有花精神注意
除了常見的錯誤像是chaox在下路被抓，或是我明知到對面JG在草叢裡還facecheck
Jungle: The Jungles performance depends heavily on the team so basically who
wins the game usually wins the jungle. Since we lost both games There's not
much oddone can do other then to either pick different champions or minimizing
mistakes.
將狗：JG的表現相當依賴團隊其他人，所以贏得比賽的隊伍通常Jungle也是贏的。
因為我們兩場比賽都輸了，所以阿萬其實沒什麼可以做的，除了換個英雄或是儘量別犯錯
TL:DR if we won oddone would of won the jungle conclusion, if we lost then he
lost the jungle.
給懶的看的人：
如果我們贏了那阿萬大概也贏得Jungle，如果我們輸了他Jungle也會輸
In the end opinion: We win as a team, lose as a team. If we were to blame
individuals I fully recognize that I was indeed the heaviest member of the
team.
最後的意見：我們是團隊，贏的時候共享榮耀，輸的時候一起承擔。如果真的要抓個戰犯
那就是我了。
I'm sorry I've let you all down and I will learn Irelia for season 3 and much
more. I will not stick to 20 different champions but only 3-4 that are the
strongest in today's meta.
我很抱歉讓你們失望，而我將會學著使用Irelia及其他英雄以在S3使用。
我不會練20個新的不同的英雄，而是專注於3-4個當下meta最強的角色。
Look forward to a very strong season 3 from me, my motivation and excitement
has been reborn through playing such great opponents. I wish this the best to
azubu frost so I can say we lost to the 1st place team, and so we can look for
our revenge to the azubu organization frost and blaze alike in the future.
我很期待有個非常強大的S3，因為有這些強大的對手，使我的動機跟激情重新燃起
我祝azf能有很好的表現，這樣我就可以說我們是輸給了冠軍隊伍，而我們也將在未來對
AZUBU集團(frost 跟 blaze)進行復仇。
I will be cheering azubu frost tomorrow in the audience to come find me if you
wish to have a autograph/picture/hugs.
我明天將會在觀眾區幫AZF加油，所以如果你們想要簽名/拍照/擁抱就來找我吧。
--
"How many demons have you slain, stranger?"
Sar asked, lowering his massive sword.
"One so far," Nellin replied, and grinned.
"But it was a really, really big one."
-- Demon Slayer, the Void Hero
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