Re: [問題] Jungle Eve

看板LoL (英雄聯盟)作者wake01 (醒來)時間13年前 (2011/05/07 12:43)推噓14(14推 0噓 4→)

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solomid是個好地方阿，Eve那區推薦攻略只有兩個，另外一篇是主AP roaming 但是基本上只聚焦在裝備和技能，畢竟roaming也不是紙上講得好的所以就以這篇jungle為主吧原始來源 http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=572 符文紅攻速黃護甲藍攻速紫物穿天賦 1/19/10 1=>smite 19=>護甲魔防/Strength of Spirit/Harden Skin/+HP/Ardor 10=>點到buff+2 技能 QwQ Ew然後R>E>W>Q 裝備起手甲+5水=>燈籠/眼/鞋=>5速鞋/sheen/3向/banshee 最後根據對方是法師隊=>wit's end/guardian angel 大男隊=>綠手/Youmuu Introduction Evelynn was once a top ban through the ELOs for her ability to not only jungle, but gank with ease because of stealth. Evelynn is commonly played as a roamer, but combined with buffs, regen, stealth and Smite, jungling and anti-jungling as well as ganking (effectively "roaming") becomes very easy. Her early game jungling is very slow but as soon as she gets Wriggles, she can stay in the jungle forever. Purchasing Wriggles in full before even boots is often the best thing to get as Evelynn, but that will be covered soon. The first thing that must be understood is that before Wriggles, Evelynn relies on disrupting lanes while waiting for Smite to be up. 介紹 Eve以前都是被ban的最優先之一，因為可以輕鬆jungle和gank 然而現在常常變成roamer 他早期jungle非常慢，要拿到燈籠才可以永久待在jungle 你應該甚至比鞋子還早出燈籠而在還沒有燈籠時，你在等smite的時候必須要去線上做騷擾 Masteries Defensive masteries are required on Evelynn in order for her to initially jungle. Extra health, armor, magic resistance, health regen, and 4% attack speed make her not very squishy stat-wise. The extra regen from the utility tree and the increased buff duration is crucial for Evelynn's "roaming" jungling style. It took me quite some time to realize that Ardor was the piece missing from allowing Evelynn to get Blue at level 1. *Update April 23, 2011* I removed the point from taking less damage from minions and moved it into Smite. 天賦防禦天賦對eve的起始jungle是必須的，因為他很軟而通用天賦的那些則是他的roaming/jungle打法關鍵我花了好久時間才查覺到Ardor是能讓他lv1拿藍的關鍵 /2011/4/23更新，不點減輕小兵傷害，而去點smite Runes Full attack speed marks allow Eve to deal damage more quickly and when paired with attack speed glyphs and Ardor, Evelynn starts off with an extra ~25% attack speed, starting at .802. The ArmPen Quintessences give Eve enough damage to efficiently jungle and deal damage to squishy champions early game. Armor seals should be a no brainer for a jungler. 符文紅攻速讓他可以做更多傷害並且和藍攻速/ardor做搭配這樣的話他一開始就有額外約25%攻速，就是.802 紫物穿則是增加傷害，早期jungle和打薄皮英雄更有效黃護甲對於jungle應該沒甚麼好解釋的 Summoner Spells [summoners/ignite.png][summoners/smite.png] Smite is required for jungling. Period. Never jungle without Smite, not even with Nunu or Fiddlesticks. Smiteless jungling is stupid jungling. Ignite is helpful for reducing healers, as junglers normally can. Ignite also helps with getting level 2 first blood against mid. Ghost is not required for Evelynn because after she hits 6, she has a built in Ghost. [summoners/exhaust.png] is also an acceptable summoner spell, but as an assassin, Ignite can cripple many, many people. She can also cast Ignite while stealth without revealing herself. 召喚者法術 ignite+smite smite對jungle是必須的，即使你是nunu或是fiddlestick也一樣不帶smite去jungle是蠢的 ignite則是可以降低治療，jungler常常得做的也可以協助中路lv2首殺 ghost不需要因為他有R，exhaust可以接受，然而ignite基本上更好用而他可以在隱形時使用ignite而不現形 Early Game This section is going to be rather long. Early game is Eve's most devastating time until she gets her core items so naturally you as an Eve player must establish your dominance as early as possible. 遊戲早期對eve來說是非常非常重要的，你必須盡可能的贏在起跑點 Start at Blue and level Q. Eve needs Blue to jungle efficiently. Have a teammate "leash" Blue for you. Generally, you do not want mid to do this because it if difficult to position yourself to have your Q target Blue every time if it wanders into the bush. Usually you want bot lane to leash if you're on the right side and you want top to aggro it if you're on the left side. Evelynn can handle Blue on her own without help, but saving an extra health potion when having somebody leash it. 一開始Q藍起手，eve要有效率jungle少不了藍，有人幫忙leash最好(打第一下) 而幫忙的人最好是旁路而不是中路，因為他會亂跑 eve不需要幫忙也可以吃掉，但是如果有人幫你可以省下一瓶水 *Remember*: Use a health potion IMMEDIATELY upon taking damage from Blue. 記得，打籃的時候被打馬上就喝第一瓶水 *NOTE*: At level 1, Smite deals exactly 445 damage to a minion. Remember this. 注意，lv1的smite確實地做出445傷害，記得這個數字 Now you have Blue and you're level 2. Level W. Chances are you're 2 and your mid isn't there yet. At this point your Smite is down and you're ready to gank. Wait for your mid to hit 2 before going stealth. If your mid hits 2 before their mid, move quick and get an easy First Blood. If your mid has Ignite, make sure you Ignite BEFORE stunning the enemy so you don't accidentally stack Ignites on him, allowing for more damage and an almost guaranteed kill. 現在你有藍而且lv2，點w，可能中路還沒有上2 這時你必須等smite，所以就是gank的絕佳時機先等自己的中上2然後隱形，只要己方比對方早上2那麼你上了就是很容易FB 如果你中有ignite那你就必須在現形前先放免得跟他重疊浪費 Good mids to have with Evelynn: * Annie * Ryze * Anivia * Ashe * Ezreal * Karthus * Anybody with strong CC or a strong early game 以上都是很好跟eve搭配的中路英雄其他只要有強CC或是強前期的都算 Now you just got either a kill or an assist. Good job. Now help your mid push that tower, fast. Spam Q and push that lane. Deny your enemy mid a wave or two of EXP. If they have teleport, don't push. If their jungler shows up, push it because it's better that their jungler gets levels than their mid. You want your mid to have as much of an advantage as possible, making future ganks as easy as taking candy from a baby. 現在GJ你可能拿到了顆頭或是幫殺，接著幫中路推塔，而且要快，狂按Q 把自己的兵快速推過去，如果對方有teleport那就別推如果對方jungler出現那也要推，因為jungler拿經驗總比中路英雄拿來地好盡可能地為你的中路爭取優勢，讓以後的gank就跟搶小孩糖果一樣容易 If you did not get a kill you can either stalk the lane a little more and harass them, possibly picking up a kill or you can go to wolves and continue to jungle. Eve has trouble with jungling early game and relies more on ganking and buying time for Smite to be up. Luckily for Eve, her ganks are so strong and easy early game that ganking should never NOT be occurring frequently after 2. 如果你沒殺到，那麼你可以四處騷擾或是乖乖去打狼 eve早期jungle很糟，比較依賴gank然後等smite 幸運的是eve早期gank很優秀，lv2以後你應該常常去gank Here Eve's jungle path varies. You must ask yourself a question: eve的jungle路線不固定，根據以下決策 Is my Smite up? If yes, go to the Wraith camp and Smite the blue one and finish the camp. At level 3, put one more point into Q. This helps your jungling speed early game. Ignore this skill until you MUST level it up. If your Smite is not up, go to wolves and finish that camp. 如果有smite，那去四鬼smite大鬼然後清光，lv3的時候點第二次Q 然後一直到最後就不要去動他了如果沒smite，那就去清狼 After killing a camp this is where your MAP AWARENESS comes into play. Is top overextended/low? If yes then head there and gank. If no, look at bot and ask the same question. If ganking for a kill does not seem possible, go to their top solo and invoke fear by giving them some of that gank love. 清光一營後你就需要些地圖意識，看看上路對方是不是超線或是低HP，是就過去幫殺如果沒有，那就看看下路是不是，如果看來都殺不到，那就去上路嚇嚇他也爽 *NOTE*: Ignore red buff until you have Madreds/HP Pots or Wriggles. Your stun is strong enough early game and it is better for you to gank early than work on red. The earlier you gank the easier it is to get kills/assists. 忽略紅buff除非你有紅爪和水或是燈籠，你的stun已經夠強大而不需要紅放多點心力在gank上比較好 Continue ganking/jungling until laning is over. 繼續gank/jungle直到撐線期結束 *NOTE*: Getting SLIGHTLY underleveled as Evelynn early is alright. Being a level or two behind is acceptable because you ARE roaming but getting behind by three or more means you need to take some time to quickly farm up a level or two either in the jungle or by quickly pushing a wave or two of minions then continue roaming around until you find an out of place enemy. eve早期稍微地等級落後是正常的低個一兩級可以接受因為你是roaming，但是三級以上你就需要注意，好好去農一農補上直到你又找到機會可以殺為止 Now I will cover how to handle the worst case scenario: losing blue due to an early team gank. 現在講到最糟的情況：你打籃的時候被集體OX，藍也沒了 In order to efficiently jungle and gank Eve needs Blue, so what happens when you lose Blue early? The best choice would be to head to your enemies Blue and take it quickly. You have two options when taking the enemy Blue: kill the entire camp and note that it will respawn in FIVE minutes after finishing the entire camp OR leaving one creep to deny him future Blues. Either is acceptable. If you leave a creep you won't hit two, so head to your Wolves and kill the camp before ganking. *ALTERNATIVELY* You can steal a creep or two of EXP from mid to hit 2 so you can gank, either is acceptable. Unfortunately this slows your early gank but doesn't prevent you from ganking. If you are unable to get ANY Blue buffs for whatever reason, head to Wraiths and Smite the blue one and finish the camp then head to Wolves. If you can, gank mid. You might be low on mana so you may have to wait for 60 mana to go stealth. If this gank fails and you do not pick up the kill/assist on mid, you may need to head back to base and pick up more HP pots and a ward. Again, this REALLY slows Eve down early game but you just need to buy time and spend your mana on ganking until your Blue comes back up. 藍對eve來說是必須的，你最佳選擇是去對方那邊搶，然後殺光那營或是留下小的影響對方未來的藍收入，不管怎麼選都可以如果你沒殺掉小的，那麼你就還不會lv2，回到自己的狼去升級才去gank 或者你可以去中路直接吸精，都可以接受然而不管怎麼樣你都慢了，雖然你還是可以gank 如果你沒有拿到任何藍，那只好四鬼三狼路線然後殺中路假如還是沒殺到，那你只能回家買更多水和一個眼，然後嚴重拖累進度接著你只能爭取時間，利用法力gank直到藍重生 The above scenario is Eves worst nightmare, but you just have to truck through it. 以上是最糟的情況，你只能盡量彌補 Dealing With Vision Wards/Oracles Early Oh the money sink that Eve is. If they buy a vision ward for mid take this as a blessing. They have already started to sink money into countering you thus slowing their rate of item progress. Forcing mid to buy a vision ward is better for your entire team overall. Now you get to play the mind game with mid. Vision wards and Oracles create a sense of security and dominance. Now you want to position yourself BEHIND where your enemy is, staying out of sight, unstealthed until you're ready to engage. At this point it is CRUCIAL for your mid to engage a fight and force their mid to overextend. As soon as their mid thinks they are winning, stealth and sneak up behind them and turn the tides. Ever heard of a tactical retreat? This is what your mid needs to do. As soon as you appear their mid will freak, forcing them to question their path of retreat. If you're against Kat, just understand that Kat is incredibly gay and will just Shunpo to safety so you must wait for no minions to be entering the lane. Kat is any gankers worst nightmare. 早期如何對付紅眼跟先知如果中路開始買這些東西，你應該要覺得爽，因為這會拖慢他們進度，對全隊都有利對方買了紅眼跟先知就會感覺安全，所以你要開始躲在對方後面不被看到直到要上了才開始隱形，因此你的中路必須要把他引出來，然後你再上如果你對上kat那就必須記得他很gay會e走，總之他很機車 The more you practice countering Oracles/vision wards the more fun Eve will be to play. From here one of two things will happen: their mid will continue to buy Oracles/vision wards and play more cautiously allowing your mid to dominate their lane in terms of CS and protecting their tower OR their mid will NOT buy anymore Oracles/vision wards and continuously die or still allow your mid to dominate the lane. 當你學會更好反制反隱那麼你就會獲得更多玩eve的樂趣到最後中路可能狂買反隱讓你的中路稱霸或是乾脆不買然後一直死 Mid Game By now you need at least [items/wriggles-lantern.png] and [items/boots-of-speed.png]. Your item build varies depending on how well you move around the map. You have a choice of getting one of two early setups: 遊戲中期你至少會需要燈籠和鞋，而根據你怎麼跑的會有不同的裝備買法，以下兩種 Setup 1: [items/wriggles-lantern.png][items/boots-of-speed.png][items/sheen.png] 燈籠/鞋/sheen Setup 2: [items/wriggles-lantern.png][items/boots-of-mobility.png][items/sapphire-crystal.png] 燈籠/5速鞋/藍寶 Take setup 1 if you are good at anticipating lane pushing and are warding their jungle to keep track of their jungler. 選擇1如果你很好地參與了推進並且放眼監視對方jungler Take setup 2 if you are not good at anticipating lane pushing and randomly encounter their jungle because you are not warding or are getting unlucky/etc. 選擇2如果你不能很好參與推進而且會隨機碰上對方的jungler因為你沒擺眼或是運氣差 Setup 1 is superior because Sheen adds stupid damage to Eve by proc'ing with Q every 2 seconds. 1無疑的更好，因為sheen很蠢的打很痛因為你有Q As soon as Eve gets Wriggles, she can easily Dragon but not necessarily by herself. Have your mid and/or bot push their lanes and help out with Dragon. Dragon reduces attack speed so if possible have a tanky teammate tank it while you destroy it. Having Blue helps so you can constantly Ravage (E) it and reduce its stats. 有了燈籠就可以輕鬆吃龍但是不一定得自己做請中下路推一推來幫忙，最好有大男幫坦因為龍火會降攻速有藍的話你就可以一直e降護甲魔防 If you are getting anti-jungled and are losing your buffs frequently it is imperative that you purchase an Oracle. Ignore Sheen for now and play safe but de-ward your jungle and Dragon. If you are getting anti-jungled it is also important that you ward your own buffs and set up your jungle to protect it rather than waste time ganking/anti-jungling the enemy. It is always dangerous to enter the enemies jungle so warding your jungle and pinging the enemies will encourage your teammates to help stop them. Entering the enemy jungle is the same thing as overextending in a lane so take advantage of this. 如果你一直被反江並且常常失去紅藍，那麼就必須買先知，先忘了sheen並打龜一點把jungle和龍的眼全部拆掉，如果你一直被抓，那麼插自己buff和jungle就比較重要而不是跑去對方家裡插，插自己還可以讓隊友幫忙，對方如果來了因為深入會處於劣勢 Counter-Jungling This section is added post-approval for Darkshy. Counter-jungling is very risky for Eve early on, especially if you take only Ignite/Smite. I'd advise not to jump into counter-jungling because you assume your champion is built for it. Early game counter-jungling is far too risky for the rewards you reap (laughing as their jungler realizes their red/blue is gone with just one minion left there). Therefore, it is not advised you begin to counter-jungle until you get Wriggles and can properly ward their jungle. 偷jungle對早期eve是很有風險的，因為你只有ignite/smite，除非你特別做了相關準備否則建議不要，早期的偷jungle風險很大，收穫卻不多因此建議除非你有了燈籠並且插對方的jungle否則不要這麼做 Always place wards where you feel their jungler might come from. For instance, if you're counter-jungling a blue team jungler and you go for their Blue, it is advised that you ward the Blue's bush on the side CLOSEST to their spawn so you can see him coming from behind, giving you enough time to get out. 插眼要插在你覺得對方jungler會出現的地方，舉例來說要去藍的話就插在附近草叢並盡可能地在外側，及早預警對方的出現然後有時間逃跑 Here's a neat little trick. If their jungler buys an Oracle, you can play a mind game with them. If you're taking their Blue (and lets assume once again that they are blue team) place a sight ward (or Wriggles Ward) in the opening of the intersection just southwest of the Blue on the outside of the bush. As soon as they see it, they will immediately destroy it, buying you time to finish taking the buff and run. As soon as you see the jungler, you know they are going to kill the ward, so pop your ultimate, finish the Blue, Smite it, and get the hell out. Here is a picture illustrating my ward placement for an Oracle'd jungler: 如果對方jungler有oracle，那麼你可以利用這點插眼，對方看到了會把他打掉，你趁機開R清掉然後跑走 [http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6295/lolmap.jpg] *NOTE*: If you KNOW you are going to go and steal a buff from your opponent and are in the process of killing a camp/taking one of your buffs, DO NOT SMITE! Save Smite for when you are counter-jungling. Never, EVER counter-jungle without Smite being up. It is far too risky and you run the increased risk of being found out. Don't take that chance. 如果你要去偷jungle，永遠確保自己可以smite，不然風險很大 *NOTE*: The buffs are melee minions, meaning they will follow you if you move around (to an extent). Take advantage of positioning yourself farthest away from the anticipated route that your opponent will take. Always think and be one step ahead of your foe. The farther ahead you are the more time it takes for them to catch up. buff怪都是近戰，所以你可以盡可能地拉遠了打，爭取更多反應時間 When warding Dragon don't be stingy, buy a pink ward. If they are countering by purchasing a pink ward, buy an Oracle. Eve is similar to Shaco in the sense that carrying an Oracle on yourself effectively ruins their map awareness. After all, GO GO MAP AWARENESS! 插龍的時候不要小氣，用紅眼，如果對方也用紅眼，那你就喝oracle eve跟shaco類似，適合帶oracle破壞對方的地圖感知 A stealth trick you should be made aware of: Believe it or not, Evelynn is NOT Shaco. She does not insta-stealth when you activate it. Therefore, breaking line of sight for half a second can be the difference in life and death. If you are getting ganked in the jungle or have been found trying to steal a buff, hug the wall, activate stealth, and quickly break line of sight by hugging the wall and making a sharp turn around a corner. Additionally, if there are no corners but there are bushes, learn to weave in and out of the bushes as people chase you. This is difficult to get the hang of, but as soon as you realize exactly what I am describing, you will find yourself being just as annoying as a Shaco. Just remember to dip in and out of bushes while trying to go stealthed. Just today (April 4th) I was way overextended in a Shacos jungle and got caught by him and Malzahar, but because I was near ONE small patch of bush (innuendo, anyone?!) I was able to move in and out of the bush, constantly breaking line of sight despite being ulted by Malzahar. Eve may not have as many "get out of jail free" cards as Shaco, but when mastered she can be a nuisance to anybody. eve的隱形不像shaco立即生效，所以你需要技巧，一秒可能決定了生死平常可以貼牆，並利用轉角爭取隱形時間，有草叢更好，抽插草叢讓對方混亂熟練了以後你可能沒有shaco這麼方便但還是可以讓人恨你 DO NOT TRY TO COUNTER-JUNGLE UDYR. Udyr is the master of homosexuality (right up there with Kat) and is far to overpowered in his current state. If you see an Udyr on the other team you MUST ward your OWN jungle. If there's an Udyr, teach him a thing or two about messing with you by buying a Wit's End IMMEDIATELY after Sheen and if he is truly messing you up, buy Wit's End before Sheen. Believe it or not, Udyr SUCKS without mana. Drain that mana and you will quickly find Udyr to be Eve food. 絕對不要偷udyr的jungle，他跟kat都是同性戀而且非常OP 當他出現在敵隊jungle那你絕對要插自己jungle 在sheen之後馬上買wits end可以很有效對付他如果他把你打很慘，那甚至在sheen之前就買wits end 沒有法力的udyr就慘了 Late Game/Team Fighting Never engage first as Eve. Wait for the fight to be established before entering. You WILL get focused, you WILL die, you WILL get raped by Amumu's ultimate. Wait for the deadly moves to be used and head toward the back and focus that Ashe. Get the DPS off of your team, get the overall damage off of your team. If the enemy focuses you this allows your team to focus whoever they want (NOT THE F'ING TANK) and allow your DPS to obliterate theirs. If they do not focus you then you get to destroy their most deadly champions effectively winning the fight for your team. 後期團戰 eve絕對不要第一個衝上去，要確實等到戰鬥開始不然你會被集火然後葛屁，你會被amumu大絕強姦等到所有大招都放完了再從後面來，打爆ashe，解決dps 如果他們瞄準你那麼你的隊伍也可以打應該打的人如果他們不理你你就打掉最有威脅的人 Baron: With the items from the "item" section of this guide you can tank Baron! If you have another damage dealer or two or even just one other healer Evelynn can destroy Baron. 你有了我建議的裝備後你可以坦巴龍，只要有另外一兩個dps或healer就可以吃掉 Various notes/comments: Wit's End makes mana reliant champions useless. I.e. Nasus, Amumu, and various other champs who love mana and don't build many mana items. Wit's End also deals the extra magic damage even if the target is mana-less! Holy crap! How useful. Bet you didn't know that. Wit's End is one of the most cost efficient items in the game. Incoming Wit's End FOTM after Wriggles' turn is over. wits end對依賴法力的英雄很有用，特別當他們又不買mana時，像是nasus amumu 即使是打非法力英雄時也可以造成額外的魔法傷害，HOLY CRAP!真好用，我賭你不瞭 wits end是投資報酬率最佳的物品之一，燈籠的時代過了，買一把wits end吧 Teemo is annoying. He alerts of your presence and lowers your HP before you even get close to him. Buy Oracles against him. Seriously. teemo很機車，買oracle吧 Karthus is so annoying as well. Sometimes I actually ban him in ranked because he is so easy and stupid to play. Karthus很機車，玩起來超簡單不需要技巧，所以我會ban他 Twisted Fate counters Eve! His ult reveals you and turns a fight around (basically evening out a fight... how lame). TF反制eve，因為R讓你無處可躲 Irelia's passive alerts her to your presence. Be careful when ganking her. Irelia的被動會警告他你已經來了 At level 6, inform your teammates to CHASE under a tower if you're taking tower damage. Most people don't realize that you'll heal if you get the kill/assist. Unfortunately, most people are stupid and don't understand this so try and stick to doing premades with Eve. lv6後通知你的隊伍你可以繼續追人即使你被塔打大多數人不知道你殺人或是幫殺後可以補血很多蠢人不知道這點還繼續跟eve組隊 After getting Wriggles you should have around 100 Armor, taking 50% less damage from physical attacks. Believe it or not, you can take quite a few tower shots if you need to allow your squishy Annie to finish off the enemy with Q. 當你有燈籠後大概有100甲，50%減傷，可以好好頂幾下塔，讓annie可以Q最後一擊 Katarina can still ult if you're stealthed around her. Any champion with a "channel" can ult, such as Morgana. kat即使在你隱形時仍然可以R，所有有持續施法的英雄都可以R像是Morgana Evelynn's Q alerts you to stealthed things such as Teemo. If Teemo is invis and you can Q, just Q him to death. It's funny making Teemo run away with little HP. 你的Q可以讓你知道附近有隱形像是T毛，你可以Q他，Q到死，看他重傷逃走實在很爽 This guide will be updated as I remember things or learn new things myself. 當我學了新東西時會更新 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.122.76.84

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